Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Henry Fraser


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The result was   delete. Extensive searches by discussants failed to identify evidence of notability. Dcoetzee 06:30, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Henry Fraser

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Appears to fail WP:GNG. I can find no sources for this man other than the one cited, which is a comprehensive list of all officers in the Indian Civil Service & therefore does not itself infer notability. The award of CB (Order of the Bath) is actually unsourced, and his roles in the British Raj do not meet the notability criteria for judges etc. Sitush (talk) 11:13, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
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 * Comment. Acted as Inspector-General of Police for the Central Provinces (i.e. police commander for the whole province), which is certainly notable (although it was for such a brief period that this may be borderline). As is the CB if it can be confirmed. However, I can find no sources for him (not even a brief obituary in The Times or an entry in Who's Who, which would be normal for someone with a CB at that time) and the article is so poorly written that deleting without prejudice for recreation if sources can be found would probably be a viable option. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:48, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I think that the article creator has misinterpreted the inspector-general thing. He was acting inspector-general (ie: during a hiatus in the incumbency). And, boy, was it brief. Not to worry, though, we end up with the same conclusion re: sources etc. - Sitush (talk) 11:58, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Indeed, although the officer who acts as head of an organisation during a hiatus is usually the permanent deputy head, which is still notable for an organisation as big as the Central Provinces Police. But again, no proof that Fraser did hold this post. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:01, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * It is possible that this is our man in 1890, since the date ties in with the sole source for the article. Maybe we can hook into the Madras Cavalry reference somewhere? It doesn't refer to him being CB. There is another possible here, which would mark the end of his life - but that neither mentions the CB nor the regiment of which he was a member. So, these are pretty speculative. I'll do some digging using the Madras point. - Sitush (talk) 13:22, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Possibly the promotion to Colonel - here, 1884. - Sitush (talk) 13:24, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Major to Lieu-Col., 1878. I know this involves synth etc, but let's see where it all leads. - Sitush (talk) 13:31, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Lieut to Captain, 1862. - Sitush (talk) 13:58, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Auction of a portrait here gives d.o.b. of 21 Jul 1835, death 1901 (but no source is given for that info, & I am surprised that Christie's do not mention the CB if he did have the thing). Possible marriage is here in 1869, which if true wld make him son of a General. - Sitush (talk) 14:11, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Capt to Major, 1876 - Sitush (talk) 14:21, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Posting to Madras Cavalry, 4 Feb 1854. - Sitush (talk) 14:36, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Nope, the above is all that I can find and. although it is a reasonable sequence of events, it is hopelessly non-compliant with policy. - Sitush (talk) 00:26, 23 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:07, 28 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment just trying to find anything of note his wife gets a mention in the Times FRASER On the 22 Jan 1901 at Menaggio, Lake of Como, Catherine Mary (Kate) wife of Colonel Henry Fraser, Madras Cavalry. MilborneOne (talk) 23:06, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
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