Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Henry Moskowitz (real estate investor)


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The result was   no consensus -- Y not? 16:46, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

Henry Moskowitz (real estate investor)

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Rich businessmen obit (Wikipedia is not an obituary). I prodded it a while ago with the following concern " Nothing here suggests that this individual passes notability requirements as outlined in WP:BIO." Creator deproded it and expanded:. Sadly, I am not seeing any significant improvements for GNG. There are sources, but only covering him briefly, and some of the best come simply from the thank you notes for him being a donor/sponsor. I am afraid I don't see how he passes WP:BIO, through I'd be interested in hearing any counterarguments. Also, I'd suggest to WP:USERFY this if deleted (if the creator wishes to retain a copy); the creator put a decent amount of work into this, after all. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 16:14, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Note The article says "one of the largest independent real estate management companies" in the New York area. It's not in the top 10.. Argo has about 5500 rental units; Samuel J. LeFrak had somewhere upwards of 60,000. (The LeFrak article could use some expansion - he really was notable.) John Nagle (talk) 04:22, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the input. I think it is a little hard to make comparisons with real estate companies since they are often in different lines of business (and especially for private companies). Many are ground-up developers (who buy property; lease it in the interim; and then tear down it down to build a new development when the market allows) while some are purely investors. Some will hold a lot of square footage while others will hold more valuable properties. Some are primarily commercial; while others are residential. Some hold their property forever; others will sell it on a whim. Although Moscowitz focused on the residential he also expanded into managing the residential real estate portfolios of other real estate investors (hence the designation " real estate management"). They would handle all the activities of the building for a fee (maintaining the property, keeping up the permits, leasing, sub-leasing, eviction...etc). The other developers rather not getting into this line of business since it is very tedious (although higher margin). I agree, Seymour Durst should definitely be expanded and his biography shows the difficulty in getting information on businessman who were quite important but made their mark in the pre-internet age and their history is now hidden in non accessible archives. Obituaries tend to be the only source we have. Moscowitz is not helped by the fact that one of the founders of the NAACP shares the same name, that he invested a lot in Israel (my Hebrew is not very good :-) and that he made his mark in New York City where he gets drowned out by the likes of Durst. If he made his mark in say Cleveland, we would probably have more information.Patapsco913 (talk) 09:05, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
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 * Keep  important businessman, with adequate references.  DGG ( talk ) 03:37, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
 * @User:DGG: would you mind elaborating on this? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 10:25, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
 * in particular the ref from NY Press.  DGG ( talk ) 17:22, 9 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Weak keep. There is enough of significant coverage in various Good sources to make him somewhat notable. The Times made his family pay for an obit gives me pause. What?! The poor man survived the Shoah .... Bearian (talk) 18:38, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 03:43, 14 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Weak delete There just doesn't seem to be much info available about him. He was a successful real estate operator in New York, and seems to have kept a low profile. (Not unusual for people in rental real estate.) Most of his activity was pre-Internet, he didn't get much press coverage, and nobody wrote a biography of him. Most of the info we have is from his obituary. This article will probably never be more than the stub it is now. John Nagle (talk) 08:00, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Maybe so although the son is pretty active and often times you may get more information on the founders of companies in articles on their children. I started this article since I see the name of his company all around here in NYC (and I find the real estate industry here quite interesting) and thought it would be interesting to put something together on his background. I was kind of hoping that it would sit around as a stub for a while (since he is deceased) and see what would turn up. Maybe some reporter at one of the real estate journals would have his interest piqued and give us some more background. Cheers whatever you guys decide.Patapsco913 (talk) 09:17, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
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