Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Henry Munro Middle School


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep - there is no consensus to delete the article - interested editors can start discussion on whether to redirect the page (with or without a merge). (non-admin close) Guest9999 (talk) 18:04, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Henry Munro Middle School

 * ( [ delete] ) – (View AfD) (View log)

This article fails to cite sources, and it fails WP:ORG. It just isn't notable. Delete GreenJoe 17:30, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment. The school appears to have notable alumni, and to be named after a notable Canadian politician. --Eastmain (talk) 17:45, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Appears to. It cites NO sources to back it up. GreenJoe 17:53, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep Amazing how tagging something AfD causes references to appear out of the woodwork. :-) Jclemens (talk) 18:04, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions.   —TerriersFan (talk) 18:10, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge/Redirect into Ottawa-Carleton District School Board per the usual middle school procedure. We can't have an article on each middle school that was attended by someone with a Wikipedia bio. Notability is not inherited. --'' brew  crewer  (yada, yada) 19:02, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Weak keep Although I disagree with it, there seems to be a consensus on Wiki to keep schools and since this has sources, I would say it's more notable than some at least. --Ave Caesar (talk) 19:25, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
 * The wiki consensus (I disagree with it as well) is to keep high schools, not middle schools. --'' brew crewer  (yada, yada) 19:30, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, but Bryan Adams and Tom Cruise are very notable alumni, and the consensus as I've seen it is that Middle schools CAN be notable. If this isn't, what is?  Personally, as a recent changes patroller, I'd just as soon we eliminate or semi-protect every single school article. :-) Jclemens (talk) 19:33, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
 * There's no accepted policy or even guideline for school notability. If in your opinion this school isn't notable, don't be afraid to say so. -- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 20:37, 14 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Weak delete Changing to weak delete. Just because a school had notable alumni does not make the school notable as well.  This goes back to the whole notability isn't inherited principle. --Ave Caesar (talk) 19:35, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep - a notable sporting success, an unusual number of notable alumni and a further sources available (I'm about to add another) adds up to an encyclopaedic article. TerriersFan (talk) 19:41, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Updated comment - the article now has an unusual array, for a middle school, of sporting and academic success, backed up by ample independent sources to meet WP:N. TerriersFan (talk) 17:43, 15 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Redirect to parent district article, a passing mention in a biography of Tom Cruise and a couple of blurbs in a local paper is not substantive independent sourcing, it is trivial mentions. Willing to reconsider if genuinely substantial sourcing exists, but there's nothing I can find. "Famous people went here" has no bearing whatsoever, sources confer notability on a subject, not having famous people affiliated with it. Seraphimblade Talk to me 20:06, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
 * "passing mention" is a bit harsh. pages 13-16 discuss his days at the school. Double Blue  (Talk) 20:11, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
 * It is a passing mention because the focus is on discussing the person, not the school. The school is mentioned in passing to provide context, the person is the focus. Seraphimblade Talk to me 14:35, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
 * The focus is on the person but it is not a passing reference; it discusses his time at the school, his challenges at the school, his successes at the school, his teachers and classmates. It is currently only used as a cite for alumni but, still, you cannot say it's a passing reference when it occupies several pages in the book. Double Blue  (Talk) 15:11, 15 June 2008 (UTC)


 * redirect per Seraphimblade & Brewcrewer. Pete.Hurd (talk) 21:21, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I see nothing encyclopedic about winning school district level athletic prizes, and nothing notable about having a passing association with celebrity. It's a middle school, I really don't think it and Tom Cruise left any lasting impressions on each other that serves to provide deeper insight in to the nature of one or the other.  Notability is not inherited, the guy who cuts Bryan Adams's hair doesn't become a notable hairdresser by that fact alone, the guy that changes the oil in Elizabeth Manley's car doesn't become a notable mechanic.  Really, this is just a totally typical middle school in a totally typical suburb. Pete.Hurd (talk) 19:25, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
 * The impression this school has left on Tom Cruise is clearly stated in his biography. To compare the impact a middle school has on the development of an individual with that of a hairdresser.. well I shall leave it to others to surmise my reaction! "this is just a totally typical middle school" ... really, then I must be wrong in advocating most middle school articles are redirected; please point out how which other middle schools has this combined range of awards and I'll happily write an article on them too! TerriersFan (talk) 01:15, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
 * That he came of age in a middle school, and had friends at school as a teenager I don't doubt. Is this material, which you think makes the school notable going to be included on the school article?  If the reason, explaining *why* the school had such an impact on Cruise, that is so important to Tom Cruise's biography that it raises the school to historic notability, isn't going to be in the article, then I don't see how it can make the school notable... Pete.Hurd (talk) 02:28, 16 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep per references added since nomination. Clearly passes WP:N.--Sting  Buzz Me...   11:02, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep I think the references added to the article just about establish notability. Davewild (talk) 14:37, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I suggest that this article should be kept. It is certainly just a start but the school is noted and facts are verified by reliable sources. Double Blue  (Talk) 02:23, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep I think the celebrities that attended this school increase its notability beyond a regular middle school (see the reference labelling it "School to the stars"). I feel it meets WP:N. DigitalC (talk) 03:29, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Redirect per Seraphimblade and Brewcrewer. CRGreathouse (t | c) 20:37, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep per the addition of references since the start of this discussion. -- JForget 23:05, 19 June 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.