Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Henry Pata


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The result was   keep. -- Cirt (talk) 00:52, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Henry Pata

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Contested PROD. Although a source has been added since I first came across it, the article is still in a very poor state, and (unless we have started to indiscriminantly allow any article that includes the "f" word) makes no assertion of passing the general notability guideline. The source that has been added is sufficient to establish that the article is not a hoax, but little more. --WFC-- 22:34, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. --WFC-- 23:01, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - no evidence he has played in a fully professional league, so fails WP:ATHLETE. Also fails WP:GNG. GiantSnowman 23:12, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep new research establishes notability. GiantSnowman 16:49, 22 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete - per above. Without fully pro appearances, he fails all relevant notability guidelines. Sir Sputnik (talk) 23:15, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete . Keep. Played in a top level South American league (if only it stated that in the first place). Argyle 4 Life  talk  14:45, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment. It did say that when it was nominated. Phil Bridger (talk) 18:22, 22 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep : The club where he plays is a professional club (see Club_Deportivo_El_Nacional) playing in Ecuadorian Serie A, which is described as "the top level of professional football in Ecuador". Also, not surprisingly, cited in numerous news articles -- Cycl o pia talk  23:56, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
 * To argue keep based on ATHLETE would require independent verification of the league's professional status. It would be difficult to argue general notability of a player unless it can be proven that coverage is more than routine. Undeniably you have provided quite a few links, but it's depth of coverage that we're looking for. --WFC-- 00:08, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, Federación_Ecuatoriana_de_Fútbol is a member of CONMEBOL ( http://www.conmebol.com/conmebol/activeCountry.html?x=2&sub=2 ). And here on the FIFA website, it appears that "Primera A" (the league) is indeed under the F.E.F. The team website indicates that the team played the Copa Libertadores several times and the Copa Conmebol twice. -- Cycl o pia talk  00:38, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
 * If Pata has played in the continental competitions, that would have a bearing on his notability. But there is no assertion of that. None of the links you have provided demonstrate that it is a professional league. Liechtenstein is a member of UEFA. More reasonable comparisons with Ecuador might include Bosnia, Canada, both Irish nations and Vietnam. --WFC-- 01:43, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
 * If I understand correctly your comparison, you mean that Liechtenstein premier league is not professional,even if it is member of UEFA. Why so? I'm honestly confused. -- Cycl o pia talk  13:03, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
 * What's confusing about the fact that professionalism is not a requirement for UEFA membership? Do you seriously think that a country with a population of 35,000 could sustain a fully professional league? Phil Bridger (talk) 14:23, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I'd like to see a definition of "professional league" at this point. -- Cycl o pia talk  14:57, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
 * In any case, this seems to imply that the Ecuadorian leagues are professional. I'll keep looking. -- Cycl o pia talk  15:04, 17 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Question to those who have questioned whether the subject has played in a fully professional league. Are you saying that this player has not played in Serie A de Ecuador, or are you saying that that league is not fully professional? Phil Bridger (talk) 00:03, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
 * The latter. --WFC-- 00:08, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
 * (although I should point out that unlike the majority of football editors, I do actually expect article subjects to demonstrate that they pass the WP:GNG. --WFC-- 00:09, 17 September 2010 (UTC))
 * My question wasn't actually addressed to you, as you didn't base your argument on the subject not having played in a fully professional league. I'd still like to hear from those who did make such an argument. Phil Bridger (talk) 01:05, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I feel able to answer on their behalf because I know from experience that all of the above editors tend to follow this list. But if you want specific editors to reply, you should probably invite them back to the discussion. --WFC-- 01:43, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep - It appears that this article should be at Henry Patta as that is the most commonly used name in reliable sources. He has played in Ecuador's top flight league (likely a fully-pro league, although I'm not 100% certain) and has been covered in Ecuadorean media. I'll start expanding the article a bit as time allows. Jogurney (talk) 04:12, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I've done some more research and his career to date has been less impressive than his brother. He's been a leading scorer in the second division, but hasn't been a fixture in the first division (although he's played two seasons and scored at least one goal during 2008 per RSSSF). I think the article probably will pass the GNG, but it might be closer than I initially thought. Jogurney (talk) 04:45, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
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 * Keep has played in notable top-level league in South America and appears to meet GNG. Eldumpo (talk) 08:43, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
 * keep looking at gnews and in the links above there has been demonstration of independent coverage, independent of whether he has played in a professional league or not. I'm unsure whether it is rutine or not, but some of the articles seem to go into greater depth (however i am not sure of the respectability of various south-american newspapers). I'm glad the arguments here appeal to outside coverage and not a generic list. Sandman888 (talk) 09:04, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
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