Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Henry Please Come Home


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. Discussion to merge should take place elsewhere, if necessary. – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 00:21, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Henry Please Come Home

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Article consists of a plot summary redundant to the LoE, and an infobox. Not claims of notability are made nor sources used. ThuranX (talk) 02:42, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
 * '''Merge and redirect to List of M*A*S*H episodes (Season 1). Cheers,  Dloh  cierekim  03:08, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep It's a shame the nominator did not try to improve this article and others like it by fixing it instead of trying to delete it. To say it's been in need of improvement for 2 years as a reason to delete is just wrong, given what a real effort to locate sourcing turned up. Kudos to the rescuers.  Dloh  cierekim  13:13, 17 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete No assertion of importance or significance. Drawn Some (talk) 03:29, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete No sources, episodes aren't individually notable. Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Many otters • One hammer • HELP) 03:40, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep and expand the plot to match the others and add more real world context and criticism, it is no more detailed than any movie plot or contemporary TV program. We need to avoid a bias toward recentism. I don't see any difference between this MASH episode an a random Seinfeld episode, for example: The Postponement. Seinfeld has episodic plot outlines as well as season summaries. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 04:13, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
 * That may be a legitimate comparison in your eyes, but there is a notable difference, as regards this set of AfDs. I'm not looking at Seinfeld, I'm looking at MASH. so I think that yours is effectively an OTHERCRAPEXISTS argument. Perhaps I'll look at those later. ThuranX (talk) 04:15, 15 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete via Redirect to appropriate M*A*S*H* season 1 episode list. Unnotable episode of the series with nothing but a short plot summary which is easily mergable to existing list (badly formatted list, perhaps, but still existing). Fails WP:N and WP:WAF. Per Wp:MOS-TV, numerous other episode AfDs, and general consensus regarding individual episode articles, redirecting per norm. -- Collectonian  (talk · contribs) 04:28, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. — --  Collectonian  (talk · contribs) 04:28, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment I was trying to count how many places Thuran and Richard were having the exact same argument verbatim and lost count at about 9. Surely you can see why this procedure is flawed? Nosleep  break my slumber 07:21, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
 * As flawed as any political system is ... but, can you offer an alternative? I always agree it is better to set a global standard for plot summaries, than to have piecemeal deletion. A lot of work goes into massive AFDs in a series of articles, and even more goes into defending against the deletion. More can be done by working out a global compromise. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 07:36, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I previously suggested that Thuran bundle all the episodes he was aiming to delete into one discussion. I know it would be a massively colossal bundle, but it would be a case of applying one standard across the board, and it would consolidate everything. It would also make sure people who !voted made informed !votes. Nosleep  break my slumber 09:24, 15 May 2009 (UTC)


 * STRONG KEEP additions verify notability. Why wasn't merging this article discussed at one central place first, such as List_of_M*A*S*H_episodes_(Season_1) first, per WP:PRESERVE and WP:BEFORE. There is little basis to have this article removed from wikipedia, WP:FICT has failed to become a guideline three times, and WP:PLOT is currently under an intense edit war. Ikip (talk) 15:42, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Closing nominator please note there have been improvements and signifigant external link additions to this article since if was put up for deletion. Ikip (talk) 17:58, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Closing nominator please note there is still no assertion of importance or significance. Drawn Some (talk) 19:19, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep as sibling articles are allowed if inclusion of their information would overburden the parent article. Discussions about a merge belong on the article's talk page and concerns for sourcing should be met with a tag, as AfD is not for cleanup.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 20:32, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep I think everyone makes the same argument for all M*A*S*H episodes, and I wonder why they weren't all just nominated at the same time. I'll just copy and paste from now on.  Millions of people found the episode notable enough to watch, and thus it is clearly notable enough to have a wikipedia article on.  Any movie that has a significant number of viewers is notable(the guidelines changed after a discussion I was in not too long ago), and there is no reason why television shouldn't be held by the same common sense standard.   D r e a m Focus  21:49, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect to the episode list. Query, why are these all separate discussions anyways? 76.66.202.139 (talk) 04:12, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep and improve. Someone with access to a multi thousand dollar lexisnexis account is probably needed to get this article up to snuff. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 04:14, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. I've found episode article to be useful. I also wish the nominator had done just one or two at a time instead of 15. We can see the same comments on almost every one of them. Niteshift36 (talk) 04:29, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
 * commentNiteshift36 has made this same small, unsupported statement at many, if not all, of these MASH AfDs, and not provided any sort of 'proof' of notability assertion within any such article. ThuranX (talk) 13:46, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep and improve. I've added some real-world sourcing to a few of these M*A*S*H episode articles, based on the Wittebols book; however, I've now reached the limit of the number of pages Google Books will let me see in that book, so I can't do any more now.  Nevertheless, the point stands: the sources that others have found establish notability for these episodes, and source material exists to add the real-world material which these articles need. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 05:45, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
 * CommentThe 'improvements' above are simply the use of multiple Episode Guide books to source the plot summary, in an attempt to put sources on the page. However, my initial premise, that the article makes no assertion of real notability, stands. ThuranX (talk) 13:46, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Notability on Wikipedia is defined as "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". It doesn't say "except episode guides".  WP:PLOT is an argument for improving balance of content, not deletion. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 22:34, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Episodes guides do not make each episode significant, they make the SHOW significant. Listing in the phone book doesn't make you significant.ThuranX (talk) 23:13, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
 * A phone book has a one-line entry for each telephone number. An episode guide usually has at least a page on each episode, with details about cast, crew, plot, development and broadcast.  That's exactly the sort of information that an encyclopedia covering a specific television episode would have. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 00:55, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep The improvement that this needs is obvious: expansion. Both some more production and reception details, and a better and longer plot summary. DGG (talk) 07:12, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep Evidently notable as with all the other ridiculous nominations of these episodes. Colonel Warden (talk) 08:52, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep Per Warden. Looks fine to me. Referenced, notable—just like the last one I voted on just like this.  —  Jake   Wartenberg  16:20, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep There are independent sources about the episode referenced in the article, so meets notability. Following WP:BEFORE would have avoided this unnecessary nomination. Rlendog (talk) 02:56, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Redirect to the list of episodes in the series until there's something more than a plot summary to put in. Stifle (talk) 11:32, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.