Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Herb Rooney


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The result was   keep. (non-admin closure) czar   &middot;   &middot;  00:00, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

Herb Rooney

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Only passing mentions in the refs with no depth of coverage. Similar passing mentions in the The Exciters external links. I'm not finding anything better in google. Just being in a notable band doesn't confer notability. Stuartyeates (talk) 19:06, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep. Rooney wrote and co-produced the UK #31 hit Reaching for the Best and wrote and produced the sample staple Synthetic Substitution, which was sampled in over 370 songs.-- Laun  chba  ller  22:08, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
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 * Merge to The Exciters. There is coverage around that can be used for verification, e.g., , . Aside from considerations of notability, there simply in't enough information at present to justify a standalone article. --Michig (talk) 15:04, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I've introduced those three to the article.-- Laun  chba  ller  20:54, 1 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Redirect to The Exciters. Doesn't appear to meet WP:GNG or WP:BAND, the latter of which recommends redirecting members without individual notability to their bands' articles. Perhaps some of the content should be merged, but I can't see a compelling argument for the Exciters' article including (for example) a list of artists with whom Cory Rooney has collaborated; and wouldn't object to redirecting without merging any content. – Arms &amp; Hearts (talk) 14:11, 4 June 2013 (UTC) Tentative keep per WP:COMPOSER #1. – Arms &amp; Hearts (talk) 12:51, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
 * You do realise that Rooney is independently notable for writing and producing the sample staple Synthetic Substitution, effectively garnering songwriting credit for such hits as Die in Your Arms and My Life (50 Cent song)?-- Laun  chba  ller  16:59, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure I understand. Could you explain why you think having written and produced that song is evidence of notability? – Arms &amp; Hearts (talk) 18:50, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Synthetic Substitution was sampled in over 370 songs, effectively garnering Rooney songwriting credit for all 370 uses. Amongst these uses were hits such as My Life, which made #2 on the UK Singles Chart and to my amazement a measly #39 on the Billboard Hot 100, Potholes in My Lawn (first hip-hop song to be played on Mars) and Die in Your Arms by Justin Bieber, which was another top twenty US hit.-- Laun  chba  ller  19:23, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Do you have an argument that relates to a Wikipedia policy or guideline? – Arms &amp; Hearts (talk) 20:24, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
 * WP:COMPOSER, criteria 1 and 3.-- Laun  chba  ller  21:00, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I hate to be that guy who asks for proof and then insists the proof given isn't good enough, but isn't WP:COMPOSER about classical music? At least that's how I read it, since there must be countless thousands of band members who are credited with writing notable songs but don't have articles. – Arms &amp; Hearts (talk) 13:36, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
 * It doesn't say that one way or another.-- Laun  chba  ller  15:21, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the delay in getting back to you, I've been busy and was hoping someone else would weigh in (often a vain hope at AfD). For the moment at least I've changed my !vote (see above). – Arms &amp; Hearts (talk) 12:51, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Fantastic, thank you.-- Laun  chba  ller  15:15, 7 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, czar   &middot;   &middot;  22:45, 7 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep While the credit claim may be a bit of a push, the sources and coverage are pre-internet era and are likely to be found in archives. Needs expansion, but seems promising. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 23:33, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
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