Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Herbert Frank Schindler, Jr.


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The result was   delete. An entry of a few pages in a biographical dictionary can be used to augment other third-party sources, but on its own it is not sufficient to establish notability. WP:MEMORIAL applies here, unless more sources can be found, and it looks like there aren't any.  K rakatoa    K atie   02:51, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Herbert Frank Schindler, Jr.

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I'm sure Mr. Schindler was a fine man, but his record does not rise to the level of notability. Most of the sources for the article appear to be from self-published research.Wkharrisjr (talk) 15:06, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment Not sure about this one, there are a lot of sources and many do not look to be SPS. There does appear to be an over reliance on one source.Slatersteven (talk) 15:14, 21 December 2010 (UTC)


 * CommentNote that the original editor has the same family name and refers to an unpublished genealogical research and ''The Encyclopedia of Biographies". I cannot find any references to this encyclopedia but I suspect it may be a vanity publication. Regardless of the sourcing, Mr. Schindler did not hold any major public offices nor did he found or head any major corporations. The article reads more like a memorial piece rather than an encyclopedic entry about a notable person.Wkharrisjr (talk)


 * Comment If the "The Encyclopedia of Biographies" exsits can we have its ISBN, or publisher to enable us to verfiy the source please?Slatersteven (talk) 15:29, 21 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Using the Biography and Genealogy Master Index (BGMI) I do find a single entry for Herbert Frank Schindler, Jr. in Encyclopedia of American Biography. New Series. Volume 39. New York: American Historical Society, 1969. I think that's the source being cited (see OCLC ). It appears to be fairly widely held by a number of academic institutions. This still doesn't necessarily guarantee enough notability by itself. --Quartermaster (talk) 17:45, 21 December 2010 (UTC)


 * I also saw this, its why I ask for confirmation, this may not be the source in question, but it look very similar.Slatersteven (talk) 17:55, 21 December 2010 (UTC)


 * The volume number (39) and year (1969) match the citations in the article, which for me is a pretty convincing case that we've indeed found the source. --Quartermaster (talk) 17:59, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spartaz Humbug! 03:36, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Lukewarm Keep. The article has lots of problems (mis-citation of the primary source used, for one), but given he's in at least one fairly reputable source, he appeared to play "professional baseball," and the family won a national award from McCall's Magazine, as well as the fact his career dipped into some higher levels of business and political activity, I think he's notable enough. I'm betting he'll show up in older (non publicly digitized) newspaper archives. Anyway, the citations need to be bolstered (and cleaned up), but I think that's doable. --Quartermaster (talk) 17:59, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
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 * Delete vanity bio. Wile E. Heresiarch (talk) 07:42, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak keep: I think he just about passes the notability threshold. There are problems with tone; I trimmed out some of the more irrelevant or fawning bits. bobrayner (talk) 14:45, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Delete Sounds like a nice guy, but nothing in the article and its references satisfies WP:BIO.It reads like a memorial page or vanity biography. Edison (talk) 19:09, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete Too much laudatory language and minutia. I agree that it reads more like a tribute page than a scholarly encyclopedic article.Wkharrisjr (talk) 19:57, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep as per User:bobrayner.Hillcountries (talk) 10:41, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete Not seeing this as passing any kind of notability standard. The main source Encyclopedia of Biography seems rather dubious as there seem to be no references to it on a quick googlesearch. Is it some kind of vanity press kind of effort? Spartaz Humbug! 09:25, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete - while inclusion in the "Encyclopedia of Biogrpahy" is one good source, it appears that's it for reliable sources, so I can't see how he passes the general notability guideline. Bearian (talk) 16:19, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
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