Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Herbert Hinzie Kersten


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The result was delete. JohnCD (talk) 15:23, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

Herbert Hinzie Kersten

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Apparently the creator of the Georgia Guidestones. However, the most I can find to support this claim is his own words. Seems more like a hoax to me than anything else. Westroopnerd (talk) 19:11, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

If you watch the documentary "Dark Clouds Over Elberton" the evidence of Kersten being R.C. Christian is 100% factual. The mystery of his identity is now a closed case. (talk)
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 * Delete I don't know what to make of this claim, but I cannot find sources for "Herbert Hinzie Kersten". If there is anything ot the claim that this retired physician created the Georgia Guidestones, that information should be added to that article.E.M.Gregory (talk) 00:04, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

Again, if people only took the time and read what I wrote then there would be no need for any further comments regarding this issue. The case is closed, his identity is confirmed and the link to the documentary, "Dark Clouds Over Elberton", is available in the reference section. The documentary is very new and has been five years in the making. It will take some time before it will be quoted frequently on the internet. MrMojoRisin71 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 23:01, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

I can also add that the the person at 3:06 in the trailer for "Dark Clouds Over Elberton" (available on Youtube) is one Stephen G. Kersten, a Iowa judge. Herbert H. Kersten was his uncle. He is heard saying "My uncle was a very intelligent man. Being told this is not a big surprise". So you can draw that confirmation from the trailer alone. MrMojoRisin71 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 10:07, 21 August 2015 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

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 * Delete The author of the film is clearly a conspiracy theorist, the film fails WP:RS. Doug Weller (talk) 06:16, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

What do you mean "conspiracy theorist"? The filmmakers are the only ones up until today that managed to get any information out of Wyatt Martin. Prior to this documentary he was the only one alive that knew the true identity of R.C. Christian. Watch the trailer and look how it happened. MrMojoRisin71 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 16:40, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete due to absence of reliable sources. Guy (Help!) 22:06, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

Don't delete All I can say is that it's going to be a stupid decision to delete this entry. All it will do is to postpone it a few weeks, maybe a few months until enough people have seen the documentary and it goes viral on the internet and someone else will create the same entry but with a different wording. Why is it so hard to accept that some people finally got to the bottom of this and earned enough respect from Wyatt Martin to get the last missing pieces of the puzzle? Truth is stranger than fiction, but it is because fiction is obliged to stick to possibilities, truth isn't. Wiki is going to look like fools if this entry is deleted just for someone to put it up again, in due time, and for it to stay forever. Well, it's your call but all the yahoos posting here haven't even seen the documentary. Yet they obviously have an opinion like the self-righteous morons they are. MrMojoRisin71 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 00:44, 24 August 2015 (UTC) 'Don't delete 'For Doug Weller (talk). You don't care if its factual? Huh? So what do you care about? I thought Wiki was set up for the truth. Believe me, "Dark Clouds Over Elberton" has gone to the bottom of the truth in this case. I'm not promoting them, I've just listened to a few podcasts and used Google and it was easy to double check what the documentary was about. Herbert Hinzie Kersten was R.C. Christian. Here is a link to an old issue of the "New American" from 1992 where Kersten has written and article that got published. Scroll down to page 3. I rest my case. Anyone who can't connect the dots after all I've written is and idiot. I'm sorry to say so but that's painfully clear. http://www.fpparchive.org/media/documents/communism_and_responses/President%20bush%20to%20POW-MIA%20Families_William%20Hoar_Aug%2024,%201992_The%20New%20American.pdf MrMojoRisin71 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 02:09, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment User:MrMojoRisin71 We don't care if it's factual. Wikipedia is not a venue for promotion of new ideas. Please read Notability (people) and explain how it meets our criteria for notability. Doug Weller (talk) 14:10, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete ultra-fringe and sources are non-RS BlueSalix (talk) 08:19, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete - fails WP:GNG by a mile. WegianWarrior (talk) 09:53, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment You only get one !vote (these are not real votes, they must be policy-based, and even your one !vote isn't policy based). I don't care if it's factual (although I have no reason to believe a conspiracy theorist), because we are not an encyclopaedia based on facts. I can't write an article about my pet dog just because that would be factual. Our articles must be based on reliably published material - read WP:RS and WP:VERIFY as well as our notability criteria and explain how your article meets any of these. Those are basic policy, but also read Doug Weller (talk) 07:55, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete - clearly fails WP:GNG. Not a single WP:RS, and searches revealed nothing to show notability. Even if the information in the article is true, which is far from proven in this article, this person would only merit a mention in the existing article on the stones, not his own article. But with current sourcing and lack of any other references, that is completely inappropriate at this moment.  Onel 5969  TT me 13:33, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete Subject does not meet Wikipedia guidelines for notability. Edward321 (talk) 14:36, 30 August 2015 (UTC)


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