Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Herbert Holmes


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The result was delete. ✗ plicit  23:39, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

Herbert Holmes

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Believe this fails WP:NBASE. Clearly written by someone with personal connection to him, Holmes never played in the Negro major leagues, doesn't have a profile James Riley's Biographical Encyclopedia of the Negro Baseball Leagues even though it was previously sourced in the article. No information/stats on Seamheads or Baseball-Reference. The Boston Globe write up, the article's main source, reads more like a person recounting his opinions of various ballplayers. Found another Boston Globe article calling the Boston Royal Giants a semi-pro team during this time. I don't see a mention of him in the other source, Shades of Glory. Also didn't see anything turn up in Newspapers.com for Massachusetts or Pennsylvania from 1928 to 1945. Penale52 (talk) 17:14, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Baseball-related deletion discussions. Penale52 (talk) 17:16, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 18:34, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Massachusetts-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 18:34, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete: per nom, WP:GNG and WP:NOTMEMORIAL. Just looked at those articles, and went around the track at Baseball-Reference, which has more on the Negro Leagues than anyplace else. Nothing, either under "Herbert Holmes" or "Chink Holmes."  He's not listed on the Negro Leagues Players Association site.  Just too many unverified claims ... what takes the prize is the claim that Holmes played for the Philadelphia Giants, which folded six years before he was born.  From what I can see, the sole source asserting that Holmes played in the Negro big leagues is his own fact-check-free interview.   Ravenswing      19:13, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  23:50, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Completely fails WP:GNG. A common Google search returns very little in as enough to make this subject relevant and notable. Certainly fails WP:Notability guidelines.Canyouhearmenow 03:30, 19 July 2021 (UTC)


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