Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Herbert Wetterauer


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The result was   no consensus. Mark Arsten (talk) 03:00, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Herbert Wetterauer

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Little or no rationale for notability. Dearth of acceptable sources. Article's creator used this as a launching platform for inserting images by the artist into multiple articles. JNW (talk) 03:53, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
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Keep. I cannot understand JNW's claim about "little or no rationale for notability", because WP:ARTIST/WP:AUTHOR is clearly met: Herbert Wetterauer has published several books and his artwork was featured in a number of exhibitions.--FoxyOrange (talk) 17:01, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment I can't see that any of the criteria for WP:ARTIST/WP:AUTHOR are met. There's no indication that The person is regarded as an important figure or is widely cited by peers or successors; The person is known for originating a significant new concept, theory or technique; The person has created, or played a major role in co-creating, a significant or well-known work, or collective body of work, that has been the subject of an independent book or feature-length film, or of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews; or that The person's work (or works) either (a) has become a significant monument, (b) has been a substantial part of a significant exhibition, (c) has won significant critical attention, or (d) is represented within the permanent collections of several notable galleries or museums.


 * Perhaps on the last criteria, Art-Collection Westermann, City-Gallery of Rastatt or One-Man-Show at the State Art Museum Baden-Baden offer some possibility, but neither is sourced, and there's little indication that either venue is significant--is either represented by a separate article on Wikipedia? The other galleries appear to be commercial or otherwise have no claim to notability. Similarly, merely publishing books establishes nothing, other than having published books. JNW (talk) 17:27, 22 August 2013 (UTC)


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 * Comment - publishing books and exhibiting art does not prove an artist is widely known/important, contrary to what FoxyOrange suggests. However, the German Wikipedia article seems to have a vague list of magazine/newspaper coverage going back 30 years. If full details could be established about some of this coverage, Wetterauer would probably meet WP:GNG (and WP:ARTIST). Sionk (talk) 21:55, 29 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Comment - Please note that the English and German Wikipedia Articles both have almost no valid sources, most sources are other Wikis. The German article quotes the English one as a source for his notability. --Gutental (talk) 14:09, 3 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Enough valid sources among "External links" and "Publications", not only other Wikis. --Hirt des Seyns (talk) 19:49, 3 September 2013 (UTC)
 * External links are weak, mostly controlled by the artist himself, plus the German Wikipedia article that doesn't belong there since it can already be found on the left side. His publications don't impress me either. His latest book doesn't even have a publisher. What we need is publications ABOUT Wetterauer. --Gutental (talk) 08:53, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
 * In the German Wikipedia, you will find a list of print-articles ABOUT Wetterauer (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_Wetterauer#Rezeption), even you will find a photography of one of this articels here: http://wetterauer-stromness.bildkunstnet.de/ --->"Pressestimmen". Online-articel about: http://www.boulevard-baden.de/lokales/nachrichten/2011/03/15/lesung-mit-herbert-wetterauer-335740/ or http://www.raumk.de/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1005&Itemid=54 or http://www.ka-news.de/entertainment/gewinnspiel/Gewinnspiel-Buch-Literatur-Flucht-vor-der-Vergangenheit-Fuenfmal-Stromness-von-Herbert-Wetterauer;art155,428698 .Hirt des Seyns (talk) 11:58, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
 * That's the local online press, reporting about a local artist who published his first novel. As usual, they were given a few books to raffle off. Not impressive either, and it doesn't justify placing his artwork in articles of general interest like Pinselzeichnung or Zeichnung (Kunst), alongside the works of Leonardo da Vinci and Gustav Klimt. The large number of merely local media that is listed under "Rezeption" in the German article doesn't make points. I wouldn't say that "Boulevard Baden" creates relevance. --Gutental (talk) 15:20, 4 September 2013 (UTC)


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 * Wetterauer's third novel ("death.com") has appeared just now in a print-issue here: http://www.infoverlag.de/Neuerscheinungen.php

Hirt des Seyns (talk) 08:07, 15 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Weak delete - I'll nail my colours to the mast. There's no compelling evidence that Wetterauer meets WP:GNG or WP:ARTIST. There are plenty of artist articles on Wikipedia that are basically unsourced CV's, we don't need another one. The list of coverage on the German Wikipedia article gives no clue as to what it is - quite probably it will be announcements and/or brief mentions in the context of group exhibitions. Until someone explains otherwise, we simply don't know. WP:NAUTHOR might be met, but there's no proof of this at the moment. For example I found this review of his first novel but I can't find anything else substantial that isn't a book sales site. The English Wikipedia article would need to be completely re-written if he turns out to be a notable author. Sionk (talk) 08:36, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep as there seem to be enough reliable sources (albeit not in English) to support the notability of this individual. Technical 13 (talk) 15:01, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete. While there is ample sourcing to show that the subject is an active artist and author, the information we have does not show independent evidence of notability. Really, apart from the local stories, and promotional materials, there's not much there. Xymmax  So let it be written   So let it be done  01:20, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
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