Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Here Comes the Light


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Black Kite (talk) 23:15, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

Here Comes the Light

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Full disclosure, I'm the original creator of this, 11 years ago when Wikipedia's notability criteria for albums was very different than it is today. Back then, the only notability claim an album had to have to qualify for an article was that a notable artist had recorded it — but our standards have been tightened up considerably since then, such that an album now has to show chart success, awards, influence on other artists and/or much more reliable source coverage than the one newspaper article this album actually has. And, in fact, the standards have been tightened up so much that even the artist who recorded it is now a redirect to his more notable band, rather than an independently notable solo artist — if his only claim of standalone notability was the existence of this one album (he hasn't released anything new since), but the album's only claim of notability is that he recorded it, then that falls afoul of the logical fallacy of circular reasoning. Bearcat (talk) 23:39, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 04:45, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 04:45, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 04:46, 20 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep. The article has one source, but the album has received coverage in multiple sources . --Michig (talk) 12:53, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete per nominator. I reviewed the sources that Michig provided, but none of these would be enough to establish notability: four of the six are just passing mentions of the album, and the two that are about the album are little more than a paragraph each.  That's not really substantial coverage to meet WP:GNG, and with the artist's article no longer in existence, a merge or redirect target just doesn't exist to find an alternative to deletion.   Red Phoenix  talk  03:18, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Four of the above are reviews of the album in reliable sources - these are not passing mentions. --Michig (talk) 06:18, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 07:59, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
 * 1: A review, but only a paragraph. Who publishes this site, and are they a reliable source?
 * 2: Same site. Also only one paragraph.
 * 3: Also a review, but even less of a paragraph.
 * 4: Barely mentions the album.
 * 5: This is the best one I've seen; three paragraphs, though not much about the album.
 * 6: Tiniest review and paragraph.
 * Is this significant coverage?  Red Phoenix  talk  21:21, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes. --Michig (talk) 08:28, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Literally every album that exists can always show a couple of reviews in alt-weeklies and music magazines — so if the existence of a couple of album reviews were enough in and of itself to clinch an album's notability, there would never be any such thing as a non-notable album at all anymore. If the album already had some stronger notability claim, such as charting or winning an award, then these reviews would be fine — but for the existence of album reviews to constitute a notability claim, it would take either (a) a volume of review content that significantly outstripped what most other albums could also show (which the number of reviews you've provided does not), or (b) reviews which contextualized that the album was an important artistic achievement for reasons beyond simply existing, such as pioneering an important and influential musical innovation. Andrew Rodriguez does have one album under his belt that's got a strong enough notability claim to warrant an encyclopedia article — but that album is Bring Yourself Up, not this. Bearcat (talk) 15:40, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
 * There is a flaw in your argument "Literally every album that exists can always show a couple of reviews in alt-weeklies and music magazines" - it simply isn't true. --Michig (talk) 16:47, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, it simply is. Not every album necessarily gets reviewed in Rolling Stone, granted, but virtually every album that gets released on a real record label always gets reviewed somewhere, with the only possible exceptions being purely independent self-released material. Bearcat (talk) 17:03, 27 October 2018 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.