Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Herman F. Zimmerman


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The result was keep.--Fuhghettaboutit 01:14, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Herman F. Zimmerman

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Delete - fails WP:BIO. Prod removed by editor saying he'd be back in 24 hours to work on the article; that was almost two weeks ago. Otto4711 17:12, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep - The editor seems to be working on other articles, and doesn't seem to be interested in this anymore. However, Google hits counts over 900,000, and also has a article on the Star Trek wiki. That may not matter here, but weak keep for now. --H| H irohisat  Talk 17:23, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep-Easily fulfills WP:BIO: "The person has created, or played a major role in co-creating, a significant or well-known work, or collective body of work, which has been the subject of an independent book or feature-length film, or of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews." Zimmerman meets that as a lead production designer for numerous Star Trek tv series and movies. Article needs expansion, but being a stub isn't a reason to delete.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 19:31, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Has Zimmerman or his work specifically been "the subject of an independent book or feature-length film, or of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews"? Lots of people work on series, even influential series, but that in and of itself doesn't meet notability guidelines. Otto4711 22:21, 11 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep - Well quoted, profiled, and interviewed in official Star Trek websites and magazines. FYI, Memory Alpha has this to say: . Wl219 19:37, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Note that notability requires independent resources. Official Star Trek websites and magazines are not independent. Otto4711 22:21, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 * See Manticore's comment below. I think you are not seeing the forest for the trees. Independent sources are used to weed out conflict of interest, peacocking, spam, and blatant advertising, none of which applies when using material from a Star Trek magazine in an article about a technical production person. The magazine is still independent of the subject which is the key here. It's not like we're sourcing from a fanzine Zimmerman started himself. You wouldn't suggest we exclude from, say, Tom Brokaw all sources from NBC because he worked for them? Wl219 18:44, 12 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep and improve. Four Emmy nominations would seem to suggest that he's notable. -Hit bull, win steak(Moo!) 23:17, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Also was a winner at the Art Directors Guild Awards 1996. -Hit bull, win steak(Moo!) 23:19, 11 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep is an interview on the BBC.  Also a tribute to him on the movie DVDs.  Which are independent of him, if not independent of Trek.  And in this case, I think SPS are viable, given the nature of the franchise.  But really, a little discretion in nominations would be appropriate here.  FrozenPurpleCube 17:14, 12 August 2007 (UTC)


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