Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hermann Lang (SS officer)


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The result was delete and redirect to List of Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross recipients (L). Consensus is that there are insufficient reliable sources for notability.  Sandstein  06:38, 3 July 2016 (UTC)

Hermann Lang (SS officer)

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Does not meet notability guidelines (low ranking), nor WP:SOLDIER, as no source for the Knight's Cross has been provided. The article has been tagged since Jan 2016. K.e.coffman (talk) 04:30, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete - I found no credible references on either the Knight's Cross or Lang in particular. The only websites were Wikipedia clones, and the only books appeared to be Waffen-SS romances. GABgab 17:11, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. NewYorkActuary (talk) 03:51, 11 June 2016 (UTC)
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 * Keep this is a classic example of an editor deleting large amounts of text and sources then nominating it for deletion. There were several sources on this article prior to their deletion by the nominator. Please check the article history for such behaviour when supporting a deletion nomination. A check of "what links here" would show that his award is fully cited on the list at List of Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross recipients (L) to Scherzer and Fellgiebel, including his rank at the time, the date of award and his position at the time of award. It is not that hard to make such checks before nominating for deletion or supporting deletion. All of this information should have been available to editors considering deletion, yet it is not, due to the deletion of significant parts of the article prior to its nomination. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 04:41, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment: Here's the article as of January 2016 after it's been tagged "Unreliable sources": Hermann Lang. The article used the following web sites for citations:
 * axishistory.com,
 * www.frontkjemper.info and
 * www.waffen-ss.no,
 * none of which are RS and possibly extremely dubious. frontkjemper.info is an online forum; waffen-ss.no appears to be a Waffen-SS fan page and/or a collector site. I believe 6 months is a sufficient window to improve an article and establish notability. The subject fails GNG. K.e.coffman (talk) 05:14, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Add: Per suggestion on my Talk page, I checked for "Hermann Lang" in the Neue Deutsche Biographie. I was unable to locate an entry for this year of death. K.e.coffman (talk) 04:05, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  B E C K Y S A Y L E S  09:39, 17 June 2016 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spirit of Eagle (talk) 06:50, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
 * would you consider a redirect to List of Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross recipients (L)? GABgab 14:58, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
 * At a minimum. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 02:24, 26 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Redirect to List of Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross recipients (L). Kierzek (talk) 03:28, 26 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Redirect: per Kierzek above, given that the award is verified but significant coverage hasn't been established. Sources verifying the award appear to have been deleted from the article. I am uncertain as to why this was, but I do not see a policy reason for it. Please do not do as you did here:, particularly prior to an AfD. Just because a book is unused, doesn't mean it should removed. It aids readers in finding other sources for their own research, or to improve articles. Please see the guidance at Further reading. Regards, AustralianRupert (talk) 11:43, 26 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Nom's comment: Here's the Jan 2016 version of the article which has been tagged Unreliable sources. I believe that 6 months is sufficient time to improve an article, by establishing notability or providing citations. As far as sources go, they included a non-RS work by Henschler, Henri; Fey, Willi (2003). Armor Battles of the Waffen-SS, 1943–45, as well as Fellgiebel which is more of a directory, with an individual entry being a just a line (please see Sample). I don't see a point in keeping sources not used for citations when non-RS citations (frontjkemper, axishistory) have been specifically challenged (and no RS citations have been provided). K.e.coffman (talk) 21:04, 26 June 2016 (UTC)


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