Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hero Envy


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The result was keep‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. Liz Read! Talk! 22:34, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Hero Envy

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I'm not sure if the subject of the article is notable. There are at least two newspaper articles about this series, in the Leominster Champion and in the Telegram & Gazette, however, both are local sources (Worcester County, Massachusetts), and both articles are from August 2006. Hero Envy is also present in the book Internet Comedy Television Series, 1997-2015, where about 130 words are dedicated to the summary of the plot/characters, and about 75 words of additional commentary (mainly about the spin-off). The article also cites Nerd Caliber, but that doesn't seem like an RS. Perhaps I've missed something, though. toweli (talk) 08:19, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Comics and animation and Internet. toweli (talk) 08:19, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Massachusetts-related deletion discussions.  WC  Quidditch   ☎   ✎  10:49, 6 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom Okmrman (talk) 04:48, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * According to this search, this comment is one of 67 AfD comments Okmrman made in the 04:00 hour. Cunard (talk) 07:58, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. The subject passes Notability (web), which says: "Keeping in mind that all articles must conform with the policy on verifiability to reliable sources, and that non-independent and self-published sources alone are not sufficient to establish notability; web-specific content may be notable based on meeting one of the following criteria:The content itself has been the subject of multiple non-trivial published works whose source is independent of the site itself. This criterion includes reliable published works in all forms, such as newspaper articles, magazine articles, books, television documentaries, websites, and published reports by consumer watchdog organizations except for media re-prints of press releases and advertising for the content or site or trivial coverage, such as a brief summary of the nature of the content or the publication of Internet addresses and site, newspaper articles that simply report the times at which such content is updated or made available, or the content descriptions in directories or online stores." Sources   The book notes: "Four off-the wall friends (J.D., Orson, Wally and Dekker) and how they deal with the situations they encounter as they just go about their daily activities. J.D. acts like a three-year-old but is actually 30 and lives for babes, beer and cartoons. He is also very irresponsible and has little respect for the law (or even people). Dekker, a clerk at the local comic book store (Fly on the Wall Comics), is not as out-going as his friends and is considered a loner. ... Ridiculous characters, foul language and not very convincing acting. Despite the ludicrous production a spin off was created called Hero Envy: The Swass Adventures that aired in 2009. Here, Dekker's further adventures were chronicled but in an alternate universe where he now lives with a man known only as the Toy Dealer. His efforts to return to his own time while dealing with his current situation were the focus of the program."   The article notes: "In the case of “Hero Envy,” a series of “webisodes” for geeks, by geeks, it, too, has an origin. ... The brainchild of Leominster native Keith Gleason and Bolton’s Michael Hopta, “Hero Envy” evolves around the foul-mouthed and physically abusive misadventures of two childhood friends — Wally North (aka “Comicus Geekus,” played by Hopta), and his raucous roommate, J.D. Field (John Cimino of Waltham). ... With Adam Dyko behind the camera and Tom Rebello providing the cover art, a DVD featuring the first six “Hero Envy” episodes, as well as bonus features, has just been released at a cost of $10. At the recent Wizard World convention in Philadelphia, Gleason and company rented a table and sold 200 DVDs by weekend’s end."   The article notes: ""Hero Envy's" plots are characterdriven, with the series featuring four main characters that represent what Gleason refers to as four areas of "geekdom." Specifically, each is decked out with attributes highlight that character's individual obsessions: comic books, old cartoons/ merchandise, video games and movies in the science fiction and horror genres. These are also the obsessions of their real-life counterparts." </li> <li> The article provides 57 words about the subject. The article notes: "É dessa arena que vem "Hero Envy" ("Inveja de Herói"), série escrita e atuada por uma turma de amigos fissurados em HQs de super-heróis, com trama baseada em um roteiro que nunca encontrou financiamento para se converter em longa-metragem. A produção caseira começou a ser rodada no ano passado e já gerou sete episódios de dez minutos." From Google Translate: "It is from this arena that "Hero Envy" comes, a series written and acted by a group of friends obsessed with superhero comics, with a plot based on a script that never found financing to be turned into a feature-length film. footage. The home production began filming last year and has already generated seven ten-minute episodes." </li> </ol>There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Hero Envy to pass Notability, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". Cunard (talk) 07:58, 13 May 2024 (UTC) </li></ul> Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   20:44, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
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Keep - cunard has found some excellent sources proving that enough WP:NEXISTs to meet notability guidelines Hopefully some will get incorporated, but there is no longer a need to delete. -2pou (talk) 15:07, 18 May 2024 (UTC)


 * I had brought up three of those sources, except the 57 word one in my nomination for deletion message; Cunard didn't find them. My concern is that both of the newspaper sources are very local, and are both from August 2006. toweli (talk) 15:24, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
 * OK, fair enough... apologies for the miscredit. I guess the intent was to thank Cunard for the sources being conveniently quoted here for easy access.  I have long held a low bar to clear such as WP:100WORDS and just 2 sources to pass GNG.  I believe that this satisfies that.  The spinoff is also covered by this article, so I interpreted it as lumping them together more as a "franchise" article.Regarding the locality of the newspapers, I can't say much about the Leominster Champion, but Telegram & Gazette seems to be decently sized for the region and owned by the NYT at the time as opposed to a strictly regional operation.  As to the age of the works, I don't hold that against it per WP:NOTTEMPORARY.  -2pou (talk) 17:35, 20 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Keep: sources brought by Cunard are enough to show it's notable. 2 are from regional papers from 2006 but that does not make them less reliable. The other 2 are a significant mention in a book and the Folha de S. Paulo (which, for the record, is in Portuguese not Sp.), a major Brazilian newspaper. Thanks - My, oh my! (Mushy Yank)  15:46, 20 May 2024 (UTC) Edit: Sources brought by Toweli and Cunard, thanks both. Quod caesaris, apologies.


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