Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Heroes Wear Red


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep - meets WP:BAND: charted # 1 on a national public radio station in South Africa with top 40 format. Bearian (talk) 21:10, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Heroes Wear Red

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Charted at #1 on a local radio chart, far below WP:MUSIC. Only other source is an interview. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 02:54, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions.  -- TexasAndroid (talk) 11:59, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

2) Has had a charted single or album on any national music chart. (7 weeks @ No.1 on South Africa's only national pop/rock station 5FM)
 * Keep Article meets the following WP:MUSIC requirements:

10) Has performed music for a work of media that is notable, e.g. a theme for a network television show, performance in a television show or notable film, inclusion on a compilation album, etc. (But if this is the only claim, it is probably more appropriate to have a mention in the main article and redirect to that article.) (MK, GoTV)

11)Has been placed in rotation nationally by any major radio network. (5fm, Highveld/KFM) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.174.4.166 (talk) 18:56, 16 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep The band has had a Top40 & No.1 hit on South Africas National Pop Radio station, 5FM. They are one of the countries more reputable rock acts. Consist of members of a historically great South African Band, Sugardrive (played the Big Day Out concert in Australia, multiple national hits etc). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.208.40.67 (talk) 10:30, 17 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep & improve I think the article could do with better sourcing, but I dispute TPH's use of "local radio" to describe 5FM - the station is owned by SABC and broadcasts nationally. As 41.174 points out above (also a "keep", presumably) this band is notable.   Astronaut (talk) 11:03, 17 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep & improve I'm gonna second that. The band is notable. They infact hold a record for biggest move in one week on 5FM's Hi5@5 chart. Also a Top 40 band. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Samusicdude (talk • contribs) 11:10, 17 June 2009 (UTC)  — Samusicdude (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

- I also, added some newspaper articles about the band...that should help. Ricky.Adams (talk) 23:12, 17 June 2009 (UTC)  Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 23:59, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep & improve It just needs a source from a local magazine and or mention in a newspaper (e.g. Sunday Times), also "Surviving September" was also a best saler on one of the online music stores in South Africa, that can be mentioned and sourced in the artile. Ricky.Adams (talk) 13:43, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Relisting comment More input is needed from experienced editors. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:01, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep minor claim of notability, adequately sourced. Unclear why this was relisted. JJL (talk) 00:10, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
 * It appears that consensus was determined, except that three of the editors weighing in appear to be SPAs and one is the article's creator. And that being said -- Keep since the article meets WP:RS standards. Pastor Theo (talk) 00:19, 22 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep as it asserts notability through the few references it has; can be expanded upon later. blurredpeace ☮ 00:26, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak delete – I am not convinced that MoreThanMusic.co.za is a reliable source as, judging from and, that the material is self-published and hence does not fall under the umbrella of verifiability; the same reasoning applies to mio.co.za. With only one newspaper article in there and that primary sources cannot determine notability, there is not enough here to establish notability per the general notability guideline, which requires significant coverage through multiple reliable sources. I would not oppose to userification until that is met, however. MuZemike 00:31, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment passing mention here / from The Citizen (South Africa). JJL (talk) 01:31, 22 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete as per MuZemike. -- Kjkolb (talk) 08:29, 22 June 2009 (UTC)


 * - Reply to Ron Ritzman, I don't understand why you wanted to "relist" this, ALL opinions are valid rather they come from the articles creator, or an IP address. The article seems okay to me, as long as it has sources, why should it matter. Ricky.Adams (talk) 12:06, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * My decision to relist had nothing to do with your !vote. I did not even know you created the article until Pastor Theo pointed it out. (and he also closed this discussion and then reverted himself when he noticed the SPAs). I relisted it because one of the !voters was an obvious SPA. The account has one edit which was his !vote in this discussion. The two IP addresses had a few edits not related to this discussion but those were over a year ago so I didn't mark them as SPAs. Also, I never said that the comments weren't "valid". I just felt that additional input was needed from editors with other edits besides this AFD. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 12:45, 23 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Weak keep per reference added by Ricky.Adams~. Power.corrupts (talk) 19:25, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.