Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Heroes of Might and Magic Online


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   Delete and let us know when it's been released, thank you. Gwen Gale (talk) 15:42, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Heroes of Might and Magic Online

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Procedural nomination. My main concern with this article is that the sources that exist are sketchy and are basically press releases parroting a first party announcement. No instance of in-depth previews. There is also some disagreement in the article as to whether the game is in testing or has been canceled. No sources in either case. It seems like pure WP:CRYSTAL at this stage to say whether the game is, will, or won't be coming out since we don't have any significant coverage. However, it is a game in a notable series and if good information exists then it is probably notable. Ham Pastrami (talk) 05:50, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Merge to Heroes of Might and Magic Kingdoms. Notable, but it would be better if it was listed under its correct title. Wrong title is also not going to help with the Google Test. There is an existing article at Heroes of Might and Magic Kingdoms, but this content is substantially better, albeit still in need of a good deal of improvement. Debate (talk) 09:55, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been added to the list of video game related deletions. Pixelface (talk) 06:50, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete crystal balling. Heroes of Might and Magic Kingdoms should be similarly deleted without prejudice regarding recreation upon the definitive announcement of a release date for the software. B.Wind (talk) 10:12, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment Online and Kingdoms appear to be two distinct projects. Online is an MMORPG being developed in China, while Kingdoms is a web-based version of HOMM V that is presumably based in the UK (where the website is). Both articles are in bad shape but they should not be regarded as the same topic. Ham Pastrami (talk) 03:14, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment. 'Online' was an earlier title, it has since been renamed 'Kingdoms'. Although I can understand the confusion, they are the same game. See, for example: Debate (talk) 03:35, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I see you are right. Thanks for clearing that up. Ham Pastrami (talk) 05:59, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry to reverse myself again, but here's a more reliable source: Gamasutra "originally reported that Heroes of Might and Magic Kingdoms was related to Heroes Of Might And Magic Online, an MMO developed in China for that market only, and has since been updated and corrected. Gamasutra regrets the error.". In fact it seems like a lot of the confusion regarding these titles might have originated from the original Gamasutra article, as it is referenced in other places like Wired (note that the Ubisoft producer leaves a reader comment to state that the games are not related). Ham Pastrami (talk) 06:58, 23 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep Ham Pastrami is clearly correct. Thank you for your excellent research. In the process, in my view, we've come pretty close to establishing a reasonable level of coverage that would sufficiently establish notability. I'll have a go at trying to improve the article, but probably won't get a chance before this afd concludes. Debate (talk) 07:07, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment In light of the news that Online will be released only in China, good sources may well exist in Chinese but it will likely be difficult to ever find English-language sources. I'm unsure of how to proceed with articles like this. Ham Pastrami (talk) 07:14, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete - the Wired, gamasutra and mmosite news stories are essentially press releases and are not enough to satisfy WP:N. At least stubify by removing the "features" and gallery, which goes a bit beyond fair-use. Marasmusine (talk) 06:45, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Weak keep - this topic is notable and verifiable, even if the article hasn't done a very good job fo asserting notability. It's already on its way to meeting the notability requirement, and I don't think it will be long before someone finds the references to fix it. I'm erring on the side of caution. Randomran (talk) 01:02, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete it is unclear from the source exactly when this game is going to be released. also lack of coverage to verify notability, and the features part read like an advertisement. Article also suffers from overuse of non-free images. --PeaceNT (talk) 15:06, 1 June 2008 (UTC)


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