Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/HiVOLT


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was  No consensus to delete, default Keep. Cena rium Talk  23:34, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

HiVOLT

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Article about a non-notable, vaporware space tether product proposal. It will never be built. It is highly speculative. "hivolt tether -wikipedia" yields under 150 Google hits. Tempshill (talk) 16:20, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete Per WP:CRYSTAL. Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone  18:07, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
 * WP:CRYSTAL doesn't apply if it's a worked proposal by a noted physicist. "Of course, we do and should have articles about notable artistic works, essays, or credible research that embody predictions."- (User) WolfKeeper (Talk) 19:59, 16 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep the tether was seriously proposed by the late Dr. Robert L. Forward a noted and highly respected physicist, and it has had substantive description in 3rd party publications such as New Scientist, NASA outreach, Space.com. Notability is not temporary, and the article is linked from elsewhere in the wikipedia.- (User) WolfKeeper (Talk) 19:14, 16 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment The NASA link you mentioned has a single paragraph mentioning "they had a clever idea" and no followup; the Space.com article also discusses the idea. There are a billion ideas for never-created products and they are mostly not notable; and this one IMO is not notable.  It's sort of like an advert, IMO, as the company hopes somebody funds the idea.  Tempshill (talk) 19:22, 16 June 2008 (UTC)


 * There's a difference between an advert, and sorta, kinda a bit like an advert. It's not an advert.- (User) WolfKeeper (Talk) 19:25, 16 June 2008 (UTC)


 * The NASA link essentially describes it as a historic idea. Who are you to argue with NASA?- (User) WolfKeeper (Talk) 19:25, 16 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment I don't think WP:CRYSTAL arguments apply here. Wikipedia is full of articles about proposed designs for space habitats, alternate methods of transporting goods and passengers for space that remain theoretical, etc. I'm not convinced of its notability or lack thereof, but that's what should determine if the page is kept or not, in my view. NoDepositNoReturn (talk) 21:49, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep - WP:CRYSTAL doesn't apply, since this is credible research. &mdash; scetoaux (T|C)  22:44, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge to Robert L. Forward. The question is not whether it has been or will be built, or how many Google hits it gets, or whether Wikipedia editors think is is feasible or even a horrible idea. The question is whether it has substantial coverage in multiple reliable and independent sources, or in respected refereed scientific journals, since it is a scientific/engineering proposal, to satisfy notability. The proposal seems to lack evidence of independent notability, so merge to the scientist's page. (After we destroy the Van Allen Radiation belt, let's unleash genetically modified disease microorganisms in the world.) Edison (talk) 20:21, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
 * The proposal was a joint effort by Robert Hoyt and Bob Forward, so I don't think that merging it with Bob Forwards page seems appropriate. (As to your latter comment, about modified diseases, that's precisely what the attenuated polio vaccine is, and this has saved very many lives indeed.)- (User) WolfKeeper (Talk) 22:52, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Comment Why are people searching for sources for the AfD, then not adding them to the article? Mixed up priorites anyone? Keep with sources added.Yobmod (talk) 17:09, 24 June 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.