Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hicham Aâboubou (1st nomination)


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The result was   speedy keep. Meets all the notability criteria. The Helpful  One  23:42, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

Hicham Aâboubou

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This person is NOT notable. There are no sources and no news regarding this person. Notability is not inherited. The team/league MAY be notable, but Hicham Aâboubou is not. I repeat notability is NOT inherited. Just because someone plays in a notable league does not make them notable. HThe team he plays for listing a bio of him on their website does not qualify as a source. Nicweber (talk) 07:48, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete


 * Speedy keep passes Notability (sports). Tb hotch * ۩  ۞ 07:49, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete Please show how he passes Notability (sports).   I see that he has only played for a few Canadian based teams.  Including the now defunct Laval team.  I don't see how he is notable.  Wikipedia is not a replacement for facebook. Nicweber (talk) 07:54, 26 April 2011 (UTC) —struck !vote as duplicate. &mdash; KuyaBriBri Talk 15:23, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Per WP:NFOOTY "Players who have appeared, and managers who have managed, in a fully-professional league (as detailed here), will generally be regarded as notable." He is playing for Montreal Impact and that team is at North American Soccer League which, according to NFOOTY, is enough notability. Tb hotch * ۩  ۞ 08:00, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Per WP:NFOOTY "Players who have appeared, and managers who have managed, in a fully-professional league (as detailed here), will generally be regarded as notable." The keyword here is "generally".  He is not notable as there is no news coverage or sources beyond the team's website itself and a university webpage.  There is ZERO sources in google news.  The team MAY be notable, he is not notable. Nicweber (talk) 08:10, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes is pretty obvious you want this deleted, but having "zero" g-hits (inaccurate statement) is not a reason for deletion. It passes our rules, it must be kept regardless your opinion on the subject. Tb hotch * ۩  ۞ 08:14, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Its pretty obvious you want to keep this, show me the google news hits please. Back up your statement with references and facts, please.  He does NOT meet the notability requirement in WP:NSPORT.  Notability is not inherited. Nicweber (talk) 08:25, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Clearly you don't know how to use Google News because I get tons of hits from there. The very first one is from the Montreal Gazette, and is about how Montreal are currently struggling, partly because of Aaboubou being out because of injury, and about how Aaboubou is currently serving a suspension for an incident in last season's playoffs. JonBroxton (talk) 15:46, 26 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions.   Tb hotch * ۩  ۞
 * Keep. Clearly notable per WP:NSOCCER and WP:FPL guidelines. -- &oelig; &trade; 08:05, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
 * OE, show me a news source that is not a university webpage or the team's own website. Hicham does not meet the notability requirements.Nicweber (talk) 08:10, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Google results are not the only metric we use to determine notability. Contrary to popular thought, Google does not index every single news source in existence. There could be mention of Hicham in some offline newspaper somewhere.. I don't know.. and don't have the resources to search at the moment, but I didn't think it necessary anyway, as it meets our (current) specific guidelines on soccer players. However, this being a BLP you may have a valid argument to delete under WP:JNN, but I don't see why you're so intent on this particular soccer player being not notable enough for a Wikipedia article? -- &oelig; &trade; 08:41, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep He's a professional footballer who has on-field time in a professional team's games. He obviously meets WP:NSPORT. This is just revenge by the nominator for his brother's article being deleted at AfD, as are all the other Speedy Deletion nominations he made earlier.  Phantom Steve / talk &#124 contribs \ 08:53, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Again with the personal attacks, we have an article here with no academic sources. Case in point.  Nic weber * ۩ 09:00, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
 * OK, I'll strike that out - I'll just assume that it's purely coincidental. However, the fact remains that at the moment (subject to the discussion mentioned below) he meets the criteria for inclusion. The official team website may not be independent, but there mention of his playing (rather than just being on the team's books), along with local coverage in newspapers (which may not be on the web) should between them show that he has played professionally.  Phantom Steve / talk &#124; contribs \ 09:25, 26 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment You'll find there's a discussion happening right now at Wikipedia talk:Notability (sports) about changing WP:NFOOTY in a way that would almost certainly mean this player would no longer pass. (Whether this nomination is in any way related to that, I don't know; going by some of the previous comments, it probably isn't.) Even if that change won't go through, this definitely shouldn't be a speedy keep; surely no article that can't demonstrate significant independent coverage in reliable sources should ever be a speedy keep. I'm not convinced this should be a keep at all; WP:NSPORT isn't supposed to override WP:GNG. But I won't voice my support for deletion either, at least not before seeing what kind of consensus will emerge (or fail to emerge) at the NSPORT talk page. Sideways713 (talk) 09:10, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep - per the above, especially per WP:NSPORT. Reaper Eternal (talk) 10:30, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep passes all relevant criteria for a professional soccer player, WP:GNG, WP:NSPORT, WP:NFOOTY etc. The nominator seems to be abusing the Speedy and AfD system to make a WP:POINT following the deletion of an article about his brother, and this player fell foul of the fact that he is simply first in the alphabet. JonBroxton (talk) 15:37, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep; yes, there is a discussion about changing WP:NFOOTY, but that shouldn't affect this discussion based on current accepted consensus, which would keep this article. Kansan (talk) 15:57, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
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