Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hidayatullah Kheshgi


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Clarkcj12 (talk) 05:57, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Hidayatullah Kheshgi

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Fails WP:NPOLITICIAN, WP:BIO and WP:SIGCOV. References are passing mentions. Potentially notable.  scope_creep Talk  18:41, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 18:46, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 18:46, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Pakistan-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 18:46, 17 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete Political position may establish notability, but the current references are very brief passing mentions. 1292simon (talk) 22:13, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep I've added a couple more sources that stabilizes the subject's political position. Former Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf himself has clearly stated in both videos (First video at 2:47, second video shows him sitting near Musharraf from the right for 40 minutes) that Hidayatullah Kheshgi is the incumbent chairman of his political party, APML (All Pakistan Muslim League). Other references regarding the subject's activities with regard to business {for e.g. PIA Board Membership) and politics further deduces the notability of the subject. However, it should also be noted that the article is currently a stub. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CaptainNathonson (talk • contribs) 07:56, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
 * They are passing mentions, name drops and don't constitute a good reference. YouTube videos as references are very low quality sources and they are not explicitly about him. They are all insufficiently in-depth, dependent sources and probably unreliable.  scope_creep Talk  08:11, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Simply saying the sources are unreliable do not make them unreliable. There is sufficient news coverage from various agencies about this subject. As for the Youtube reference, it is added to give some verbal insight from the political party's founder (President Musharraf) with regard to the subject's political position. Feel free to review the sources yourself. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CaptainNathonson (talk • contribs) 09:22, 18 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep Quite sufficient and reliable coverage on the subject; even though article can be improved to reflect more thoughts in the references.DEOL &#91;&#91;User:Adeoluakintunde&#124;Adeoluakintunde&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;User talk:Adeoluakintunde&#124;talk&#93;&#93;) (talk) 20:14, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
 * The editor above is WP:SPA who has no understanding of notabilty criteria. Lets examine the references:
 * Top Musharraf aide says former Pakistan ruler still hospitalized but improving Hidayatullah Kheshgi, APML’s incumbent chairman, did not respond to Arab News' questions about the status of the former military ruler’s health A passing mention. Not independent, or in-depth.
 * ] My wife Sehba and other close familily members, Hidayatullah Kheshgi Passing mention. Not in-depth.
 * another relative Hidayatullah Kheshgi have claimed co-ownership of them Another passing mention. Not independent, not in-depth.
 * [another relative Hidayatullah Kheshgi have claimed co-ownership of them] About IMTech (Pvt) Ltd. No mention.
 * https://vdocuments.mx/annual-report-2007-full-version.html Non-Rs. Not reliable.
 * PIA board of directors meeting held Minutes of meeting. Not reliable. Non-RS.
 * 'KARACHI: FCS board reconstituted' An announcement. Dependent source. No mention of the subject.

These are the first eight references and not a single one of them is suitable to establish a BLP. Fails WP:BIO, WP:SIGCOV.  scope_creep Talk  21:32, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Tagging me WP:SPA is unnecessary. I had a long break off Wikipedia because of people like you who WP:BITE newbies, but never again! We'd grow Wikipedia together, and do it beautifully too. We're all learning. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Deolkint (talk • contribs) 22:54, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Natg 19 (talk) 01:06, 24 October 2020 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Pamzeis (talk) 12:24, 4 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep This discussion should be archived by now. Enough reporting from a diverse range of news agencies, including from the political party's founder who has attested several times that the notable subject will be the party's (APML) incumbent chairman. Article meets appropriate criteria and political position stabilizes notability. Since it's considered as a stub, the article can be refined in the near future. ISI-DeputyDG (talk) 21:53, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
 * User is a WP:SPA who has made very few edits to Wikipedia.   scope_creep Talk  00:18, 6 November 2020 (UTC)


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