Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Highland Park (Hong Kong)


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The result was keep. Modussiccandi (talk) 14:20, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Highland Park (Hong Kong)

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As a result of 2 recent AfD's, Articles for deletion/Cascades, Hong Kong and Articles for deletion/Easeful Court, this similar article was redirected, an editor objected and so here we are. All the coverage is WP:ROUTINE coverage. Not enough in-depth coverage from independent reliable sources to pass WP:GNG.  Onel 5969  TT me 11:45, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Architecture and Hong Kong.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 11:48, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep Six tower blocks comprising 1,456 units, so a major development. Likely to have received coverage in the 1990s when it was constructed that is no longer or never was available online. NemesisAT (talk) 11:58, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep per nomination. There are over 50 public housing estates in Hong Kong with their standalone articles, most of which are converted from redirect. Aravindhan Ravikumar (talk) 12:03, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Something's not right here. "Keep per nomination"? – AssumeGoodWraith  (talk &#124; contribs) 10:09, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment. I am the editor who objected to the mass blanking/ redirecting of 21 articles by the nominator without discussion, using an AfD outcome for not systematically comparable estates as a precedent. Please see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Hong Kong for details. Underwaterbuffalo (talk) 12:27, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.  The article notes from Google Translate: "The Grand View Terrace, which consists of 6 buildings, is located on the mid-levels of Kwai Chung. Whether it is in Kwai Chung, West Kowloon, or in the area around Hong Kong Island, the majestic view of the Grand View Terrace can be seen. As a matter of fact, due to its location at a high altitude, the vast majority of units in Grand View Terrace have unobstructed views of Kwai Chung, West Kowloon, Victoria Harbour, and the area from Hong Kong Island Ring to Western Ring. The night scene after the lanterns are on should be quite charming. There are also green minibuses in the area connecting to Lai King MTR Station, so external traffic is not too far off. Among the 438 stub units sold by the Housing Society this time, Ho King Terrace accounts for the largest proportion."   The article notes: "The Hong Kong Housing Society (HKHS) is releasing 2,168 flats in two sandwich-class housing developments for middle-income families at discounted prices of $3,600 to $3,800 per square foot. On offer are 712 units at Cascades in Ho Man Tin and 1,456 units at Highland Park in Kwai Chung. ... Highland Park's units spread in six blocks on a hill at Lai Kong Street. Units measure 593 to 820 sq ft and prices range between $1.74 million and $3.36 million - averaging $3,600 per sq ft. ... Some analysts said the selling prices of Cascades and Highland Park were too low from a taxpayer's point of view and they questioned whether the Government was over-subsidising. Tony Lui, manager of Ricacorp Properties' Mei Foo district, said the Highland Park site was on a hill with views of Tsuen Wan and Hong Kong Island. If the site was offered for sale for private development, the finished units easily could sell at more than $10,000 per sq ft, he said."   The article notes: "The question of taxpayers over-subsidising these families was raised again during the launch of two new sandwich-class housing projects - the 712-unit Cascades in Ho Man Tin and the 1,465-unit Highland Park in Kwai Chung. The HKHS said the selling price for Cascades averaged $3,800 per square foot while that for Highland Park was $3,600 per sq ft. The prices represent a 40 per cent discount on full-market prices, as estimated by HKHS.  Based on this discount ratio, full-market prices estimated by the HKHS would be about $6,300 per sq ft for Cascades and $6,000 per sq ft for Highland Park. ...The units in Highland Park, located on a hill near the Lai King MTR station, command good and open views. Are their prices too low? ... The most expensive units available in the projects are those in Charming Garden phase two, at Mongkok, selling for an average of $3,325 per sq ft, which is only several hundred dollars cheaper than Cascades and Highland Park. ... This may not allay criticism as analysts reckoned that the discount pricing of Cascades and Highland Park would enable the buyers to take significant capital gains on re-sale of the units on the open market after the five-year restriction. ... Units in Cascades measure 539-962 sq ft. Those in Highland Park are 593-820 sq ft. ... The unit prices of Cascades range from $1.87 million to $3.65 million. Those of Highland Park vary between 1.74 million and $3.36 million. ... Families that could afford the $3.65 million and $3.36 million prices for the most expensive units in Cascades and Highland Park were even more financially capable of purchasing smaller units in the open market, analysts said."   The article notes: "A group of Kwai Chung flat-owners have been told the good location of their homes is part of the reason water seeps in during typhoons. Residents in Highland Park complained about serious water leakage through the walls during typhoons Sam and York. ... The sandwich class housing project is on a hillside, with unblocked views of the west of Victoria Harbour."   The article notes: "Among the 10 sandwich houses in Hong Kong, Kowloon and the New Territories, the most active one is Ho King Terrace. Because it is located in the mid-levels of Kwai Chung, the property price lags behind the market, attracting buyers to enter the market. ... Take Ho King Terrace, Kwai Chung, which was the most active in the first half of the year and recorded 15 sales and purchase registrations, as an example. Compared with the total number of 1,456 units in the housing estate, the circulation rate of the housing estate in the first half of the year was only 1%." </li> <li> The article notes from Google Translate: "Highland Park is a "sandwich class project" housing estate developed by the Hong Kong Housing Society. It is located at No. 11 Lai Kong Street, Kwai Chung, which is the top of Lai King Hill. There are 1,456 units in total, ranging from 593 to 820 square feet. Views of Victoria Harbour, Kowloon Peninsula and Tsing Yi Island, and some of the high-rise units on the northeast side of Blocks 3 and 4 can overlook Shatin, Tolo Harbour and Pat Sin Leng." </li> <li>Less significant coverage and passing mentions:<ol> <li> The article provides two sentences of coverage about Highland Park. The article notes: "The delayed sales of a further 1,053 flats at Highland Park, Kwai Chung, and the Cascades, Ho Man Tin - both completed last year - will cost the society an estimated $18 million. Highland Park and Cascades sold 820 and 295 flats respectively before the freeze, but all flats at Serenity Place are empty." </li> <li> The article provides one sentence of coverage about Highland Park. The article notes: "The seven estates affected are Radiant Towers and The Pinnacle in Tseung Kwan O, Marina Habitat in Ap Lei Chau, Highland Park and Hibiscus Park in Kwai Chung, Sunshine Grove in Sha Tin and Cascades in Ho Man Tin." </li> <li> The article p;rovides one sentence of coverage about the subject. The article notes: "The eight estates involved are Ma On Shan's Park Belvedere, Tseung Kwan O's Radiant Towers and The Pinnacle, Marina Habitat in Ap Lei Chau, Kwai Chung's Highland Park and Hibiscus Park, Sunshine Grove in Sha Tin and Ho Man Tin's Cascades." </li> <li> The article provides one sentence of coverage about the subject: "Another major project at Wah King Hill is Highland Park, developed by the Hong Kong Housing Society under the "sandwich-class" housing scheme. The merits of the scheme and whether the government should give heavy discounts to homebuyers were widely debated about five years ago. "Sandwich class" refers to buyers unable to afford a private flat but over-qualified for a Home Ownership Scheme flat." </li> <li> The article notes: "The three projects - Cascades in Ho Man Tin, Highland Park in Kwai Chung and Marina Habitat in Ap Lei Chau - with flats ranging from 540 to 965 square feet - will sell for between $1.5 million and $2 million, about 20 per cent below market price. The apartments were left unsold in the last sale two years ago." </li> <li> The article notes: "The society is selling 181 flats at The Pinnacle in Tseung Kwan O, 161 at Highland Park in Kwai Chung and 32 at The Cascades in Ho Man Tin. .... The flats at Highland Park range in size from 727 sq ft to 816 sq ft and cost around HK$3,100 per sq ft." </li> <li> The article notes: "Families who bought into a subsidised housing scheme are threatening to default after they discovered their views will be blocked by government staff quarters. Highland Park in Kwai Chung offered 1,400 flats for sale in December 1997 through the Housing Society. Only 60 per cent have been bought. ... The quarters will be 50 metres from Highland Park at the closest and 200 metres at the most distant." </li> <li> The article notes: "The society had so far launched nine projects, involving 8,100 flats, under the scheme. Its popularity dropped in two recent projects - Ho Man Tin's Cascades and Kwai Chung's Highland Park - when private market prices slumped to a comparable level." </li> </ol></li> </ol>There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Highland Park to pass Notability, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". Cunard (talk) 09:18, 21 February 2022 (UTC) </li></ul>
 * Comment I feel that it is a keep but I would feel happier if the article was improved to the point that it is no longer be a stub article. Gusfriend (talk) 06:40, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment - none of the additional sources provided above show any real significant coverage. Some mentions, some talking about routine matters like rents. Nothing significant.  Onel 5969  <i style="color:blue">TT me</i> 16:10, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep While not all of Cunard's sources are significant coverage, I think that the analysis of the economic impact of Highland Park in these sources   is enough to keep the article per WP:NBUILDING. Qwaiiplayer (talk) 13:29, 28 February 2022 (UTC)


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