Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hiili Hiilesmaa


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The result was no consensus‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. (non-admin closure) Actualcpscm (talk) 16:14, 8 August 2023 (UTC)

Hiili Hiilesmaa

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I can't find sourcing for this person, Gnews only has 3 pages total, with various projects he's been included in. Gsearch is straight to social media, with not much else found. This is all I find in .fi websites and we need more than that. Oaktree b (talk) 20:00, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bands and musicians and Finland. Oaktree b (talk) 20:00, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment Leaning not-keep at the moment. Searching various newspaper archives produces a couple dozen hits, but the articles are invariably about something else (e.g. HIM (Finnish band)) with Hiilesmaa only giving a comment or being mentioned in passing, e.g. Such-and-such band is doing something-or-else, and Hiilesmaa is their producer. He seems to have been a candidate for the 1998 Emma Award for producers, but did not win. Considering alternatives to deletion, I'm wondering if there's something we could either redirect or merge to? HIM comes to mind, but he appears to have been active with quite a few different bands as well. -Ljleppan (talk) 07:30, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per my comment above. Ljleppan (talk) 09:20, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete - This is unfortunate because Hiilesmaa is a well-connected producer who has worked with a lot of major Scandinavian bands. But WP's notability rules don't work for producers too well when they only appear in the credits for other people's works. Hiilesmaa has apparently received no in-depth coverage in his own right, focusing on his production work. For his own musical endeavors, he has been a brief fill-in member for a few bands and his own project has not achieved notability either. ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (TALK&#124;CONTRIBS) 14:24, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
 * @Doomsdayer520 see my comment below, based on what you say he meets WP:PRODUCER "The person has created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work or collective body of work." Hkkingg (talk) 18:00, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I won't argue too much, but the key term in the cited policy is "major role", and a producer's role in the studio is often routine while the musicians are truly creating the music. Also, in your vote below, Hiilesmaa did not have any charting albums/songs. The bands that he produced did, and that raises the same problem. ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (TALK&#124;CONTRIBS) 18:24, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Dusti*Let's talk!* 13:20, 25 July 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  14:09, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep - because several of the albums he has produced have charted including 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5. I think the most applicable term here is WP:PRODUCER, which says "The person has created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work or collective body of work." However, if a producer can qualify under WP:MUSICBIO then he also meets criterion #2 "Has had a single or album on any country's national music chart."Hkkingg (talk) 18:01, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
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