Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hill School Blues


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Despite how unhelpful stuff like no-rationales "Delete per WP:GNG" is, I find consensus for deletion; however, there is some support for having this covered in a section of the main article, so merging some of the content there would probably be good. ☺ ·  Salvidrim!   ·  &#9993;  14:15, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

Hill School Blues

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I have recently proposed for this page to be deleted. However, the tag was removed, the person who did so citing that the few alumni included olympians and that there were book sources. I would like to point out that the people listed on the page give no inherent meaning to the page itself. That a school's alumni include several olympians is not special, even if that number is thirteen. There are many more more significant prep schools with higher numbers of olympians. For a school to have a sports team page, I believe, it must be a University or a significant secondary school, or one whose sports team have made significant victories in a significant league. As well, this page seems like it was written solely for the purpose of promoting the school. The Hill School deserves no such merit, and I firmly believe that this page should be either deleted or merged with the main article. Peapod21 (talk) 23:15, 28 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep the school founded in 1851 has plenty of reliable sources book coverage such as University press books and includes details of its sporting endeavours including at least 13 olympians and the tag says there is more and there is enough reliable source coverage already in the article for this separate article and bundling into the main article would make that page too bulky and difficult to load Atlantic306 (talk) 23:27, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
 * But the problem is that the main article isn't too "bulky" or "difficult to load." Those are not reasons for splintering. All other concerns of yours, I have addressed in my comment above. I suggest you read it. Peapod21 (talk) 23:40, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
 * There are enough reliable sources for WP:GNG to be passed for independent notability Atlantic306 (talk) 23:55, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
 * However it gains that notability from its association with the Hill School, not as a sports team. Also, most of the sources are WP:ROUTINE, autobiographical, or referring to prep school sports teams collectively instead of addressing Hill School Blues independently. --2601:196:4901:6F80:EC27:9F30:9B3B:C14B (talk) 19:39, 1 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete There is not enough indepth independent coverage of secondary school athletic teams to justify having stand alone articles on them.John Pack Lambert (talk) 02:07, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 09:21, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Pennsylvania-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 09:21, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: To discuss merging to The Hill School as an alternative to straight-out deletion
 * Delete per WP:GNG. 142.160.131.202 (talk) 08:06, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  So Why  09:54, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete Full of trivia sourced only to school publications or local media. The notable alumni are already listed in List of The Hill School alumni; maybe some details could be added there indicating who was a blue. Some info might be added to the main article but not a straight merge. If you want to create a wiki for your school, nobody is stopping you, but Wikipedia is not your personal web host. --Colapeninsula (talk) 10:47, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep Historical details are closely linked with those of other institutions (ex. Sweeney who was athletic director at Hill and at Yale, creating modern athletics curriculum). Not sure how many other prep school athletic departments are "much more notable" than Hill, but in that case articles should be created for them too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hyungjoo98 (talk • contribs) 03:39, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
 * The question is: Does the Hill School sports team gain notability from it being a sports team, or from it being affiliated with the Hill? Because if it is the latter, it has no independent notability, and gains no inherit notability from the school. Also, it doesn't matter whether one person was affiliated with the school who was significant. There is no such thing as notability by association. alphalfalfa(talk) 19:36, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Not sure how notability by association has anything to do with this article. If the athletic department were at any other school, it would still be notable, due to pioneering ideas, as shown by references from reliable sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hyungjoo98 (talk • contribs) 03:47, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Well the problem is that the school's "pioneering," not the teams themselves. The athletic department is not the teams themselves. And also, the athletic department also gains its notability from the school. Neither are notable enough to have their own pages. Also, nowhere in the article states how the department has been innovative. "Oh, our school focuses on its tennis team! Its athletic team should have its own Wikipedia page!" This article is clearly promotional of the school's prestige, and has no business on Wikipedia. It gains no notability from its so called "innovations," no notability from being a school sports team, and no notability from being associated with the Hill School. alphalfalfa(talk) 04:01, 13 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete: invite author to make the content a section of the school's main page.   Dr Strauss   talk   13:12, 14 July 2017 (UTC)


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