Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hillary O'Connor Mueri


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The result was delete. Tone 12:34, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

Hillary O'Connor Mueri

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Fails NPOL. Congressional candidates aren't automatically notable. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 22:07, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep In 1993, the Combat Exclusion Policy was lifted for women in aviation positions (ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combat_Exclusion_Policy). O’Connor Mueri began flight school in 1999 and was one of the first female pilots to be trained for aviation combat. This would make her notable even outside of her current congressional bid.Safecontrib22 (talk)


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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Weak Keep subject of article qualifies as per WP:GNG a google search shows she is fairly notable. emphasis on the word “fairly” Celestina007 (talk) 01:023, 15November 2019 (UTC)
 * Weak keep as subject is slightly more notable than mere candidacy. Tessaracter (talk) 08:53, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete Fails WP:NPOL, being "one of the first" in anything does not guarantee notability. Maybe redirect to 2020 United States House of Representatives elections in Ohio after a subsection for the 14th district has been created. Best, GPL93 (talk) 13:07, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete, without prejudice against recreation in November 2020 if she wins the election. Candidates are not entitled to have Wikipedia articles just for being candidates, but have to win the seat and thereby hold the office to pass NPOL — but merely being one of the first members of an underrepresented group to do a not inherently notable thing is not a notability freebie that would give her the "preexisting notability for other reasons" key: if she can't be shown to have received a WP:GNG-passing volume of reliable source coverage in that context at the time it was happening, then being able to source the fact to mentions of it as career background in coverage of her campaign announcement does not get her over the bar. And no, the fact that a couple of pieces of local coverage of her campaign announcement exist is not in and of itself a free pass over GNG either, because a couple of pieces of local coverage of campaign announcements always exist for every candidate in every election everywhere. So to earn an article before winning the election, she would have to be sourced a hell of a lot better than this regardless of whether you're aiming for "campaign coverage = GNG" or "she was already notable enough for an article before she was even a candidate". Bearcat (talk) 13:46, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep, Being a candidate does not make her notable but a search in google shows she is fairly notable. Alex-h (talk) 10:13, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 11:23, 20 November 2019 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, - Nahal (T) 09:25, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete Candidates become notable when they hold an elected position that meets WP:NPOL or if the media coverage receives national or international coverage well outside the norm (e.g. Christine O'Donnell). If the subject was not independently notable before their candidacy, announcing a run for office does not usually make the subject notable. --Enos733 (talk) 15:45, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete unelected candidates for state legislatures are non-notable.John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:16, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete: candidates get some WP:ROUTINE coverage, but that doesn't justify an article. Bondegezou (talk) 11:53, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete I am not seeing the coverage necessary to meet WP:GNG, and her military career and, according to an editor above, being one of the first female pilots to be trained for aviation combat, do not meet WP:MILPERSON of themselves - they also would need coverage to be notable. If she is elected, or if someone writes a lot more about her career to date, she will be notable, but for now, it's WP:TOOSOON. RebeccaGreen (talk) 15:00, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete fails WP:GNG, also it's WP:TOOSOON.- Nahal (T) 12:28, 4 December 2019 (UTC)


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