Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hillel Weinberg


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. Xymmax So let it be written   So let it be done  14:24, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Hillel Weinberg

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Non-notable son of the founder of Aish HaTorah, who succeeded his father as rosh yeshiva 1 year ago and has not made any news. The article basically rehashes the Aish HaTorah page Yoninah (talk) 09:31, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Judaism-related deletion discussions.  —Yoninah (talk) 14:14, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Notability is not inherited, individual not wiki-notable in own right (although may be a chashuva talmid chochom) we already have articles on his father and on Aish itself. Avi (talk) 14:22, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep He is head of a yeshiva that has 26 full-time branches on 5 continents. Over 100,000 people per year attend Aish events. —Preceding unsigned comment added by אחים ואחיות קדושים שלי (talk • contribs) 15:52, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
 * The notability of Aish is not in question here. Joe407 (talk) 15:55, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

I would like to hear thoughts on whether I am correctly interpreting this clause. Other deletion discussions I've seen on this type of case seem split.Joe407 (talk) 15:55, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep. While notability is not inherited, the head of a major organization is considered notable.  I would apply WP:PROF #6: "The person has held a major highest-level elected or appointed academic post at an academic institution or major academic society".
 * Update: PROF #13 seems to support my interpretation. Joe407 (talk) 15:57, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Joe407: I have no problem with mentioning Rabbi Hillel Weinberg as the successor to Rabbi Noah Weinberg on the Noah Weinberg page, nor to stating that Rabbi Hillel Weinberg is the rosh yeshiva of Aish HaTorah on the Aish HaTorah page. But there is nothing notable to say about him to warrant his own page. Yoninah (talk) 21:22, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Update to Week Keep - After rereading the article as per Yoninah's comments, the article has very little content. At this point the man has done nothing notable.  If we keep this it should be only on the technicality of his being the dean of Aish Hatorah as I noted above.  If the closing admin feels that I am misapplying the WP:PROF policy, then the article should be deleted. Joe407 (talk) 06:33, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Comment: The number one consideration in deciding the notability of a person is whether the sources provided are reliable sources from which to write a biography. If the sources are reliable, if the information in the biography is sourced to those sources, then I would consider a keep !vote here. Woogee (talk) 23:58, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Woogee: Please read the article before you vote. There are no sources proving notability, only sources used for a sketchy birth-and-lineage biography. Are you saying that if my biography is posted somewhere on the internet, I could be considered notable, too? Yoninah (talk) 15:31, 2 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep simply because he is now an important person to know about as the nominal head of the Aish HaTorah conglomorate and because of his lineage and the key institution he heads. Prince Harry and Jenna Bush have done nothing notable themselves (even tho' papers write about them) but they get their own articles simply because of whose kids they are and their dynastic lineage. He's obviously an Israeli, not well-known outside of Israel, but he is already being invited as a prominent speaker at important Orthodox events. Don't underestimate this guy. There will be more sources with time, and it's good to remember Don't demolish the house while it's still being built. IZAK (talk) 09:55, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
 * IZAK - I'm going to disagree with your reasoning here. The policy of Don't demolish the house applies to the content and style of an article not to the notability of a subject.  If there were sufficient sources and clear notability but the article did not express those well you could then apply "Don't demolish the house".  In this case, the subject is not independently notable. Joe407 (talk) 06:00, 26 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Strong Keep He is a well known and famous Rabbi in Israel. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cunextuesday (talk • contribs) 05:42, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Irrelevant! Unless you can provide sources that establish him as a "well known and famous Rabbi", WP does not consider him one.  Also, I think you will have a difficult time establishing his notability to the extent that he deserved a WP article based on how famous a Rabbi he is. Joe407 (talk) 06:17, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment about the comments: I hate to mention this but I think we should always translate into English any comments in Hebrew or Yeshivaish as the majority of Wikipedians are not Hebrew scholars. Whereas some of us would use the term Rosh Yeshivah or Talmid Chacham in the middle of an English sentence, their use comes out as gobbledygook to many others who therefore would be lost in the discussion. I was at an Interseminary retreat last week and I found myself constantly being asked to translate words like Shabbat or Haftarah, words that I would never give a second thought to. In order to save the embarrassment or the misunderstanding of others, I suggest that we attempt to translate any non-obvious terms. Valley2 city ‽ 06:16, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
 * At least in this discussion, all of the terms (Rosh Yeshivah, Talmid Chacham, Rabbi, Yeshiva, etc.) could be linked. Linking would be better (IMHO, and this is a wiki, what good is a wiki without links) than a simple translation as it gives readers a fuller understanding of the term, and doesn't confuse people who are familiar with Hebrew. Related note: I'm assuming that talmid chochom, used by Avi above, is an alternative transliteration of talmid chacham. If so, a redirect is probably in order. I wasn't sure about chashuva, so I looked it up; distinguished or esteemed, correct? Google is our friend. Wine Guy  ~Talk  09:14, 3 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Correct. That's a good idea to link non-obvious terms. However, I think this should not be excessive so people don't have to chase countless links and be confused by articles on a single term in order to participate in AfD. This is a benefit of having a wiki, but it can get very confusing. However it will raise knowledge of many of these terms. Valley2 city ‽ 19:55, 3 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep. I believe that Joe407's interpretation of WP:PROF is correct, and that as rosh yeshivah of Aish HaTorah, Rabbi Weinberg is in fact notable per our guidelines. Wine Guy  ~Talk  09:21, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
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