Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hindi Blogging ka Itihas


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   Delete all. Noting that while there is a fair bit of opposition, it largely originates with those who have a clear COI regarding this subject (thanks especially to User:Dharmadhyaksha for some good research). Lankiveil (speak to me) 01:01, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

Hindi Blogging ka Itihas

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Following books, all authored or edited by Ravindra Prabhat, claim no notability and fail WP:NBOOK. All PRODs were contested by edit summary "This article is supported by the Indian literature workgroup". I propose deleting all these books and magazines listed below. §§ Dharmadhyaksha §§ {T/C} 09:25, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Hindi Blogging : Abhivyakti Ki Nai Kranti
 * Dharati Pakad Nirdaliya
 * Ham Safar
 * Contemporary Nepali literature
 * Mat Rona Ramjani Chacha
 * Prem Na Hat Bikay
 * Smriti Shesh
 * Taki Bacha Rahe Loktantra
 * Parikalpana Samay §§ Dharmadhyaksha §§ {T/C} 09:25, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. §§ Dharmadhyaksha §§ {T/C} 09:29, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions. §§ Dharmadhyaksha §§ {T/C} 09:30, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Poetry-related deletion discussions. §§ Dharmadhyaksha §§ {T/C} 09:31, 19 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Don't remove, I think above articles are within the scope of WikiProject Books and has been rated as start & Stub-Class on the project's quality scale.Mala chaubey (talk) 10:53, 19 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete all and redirect to Ravindra Prabhat. None of the publications shows individual notability. This is a bit of a walled garden, seemingly created to promote Prabhat. I would suggest deleting Template:Ravindra Prabhat as well, but maybe that's not possible in an AfD. --bonadea contributions talk 11:25, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Yeah! I would submit the template for deletion post this AfD's result. §§ Dharmadhyaksha §§ {T/C} 11:50, 19 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete all  As per Dharmadhyaksha and fails WP:NBOOK .Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 13:29, 19 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Don't Delete all This is true that all authored or edited by Ravindra Prabhat, but this is also right that all articles are supported by the Indian literature workgroup.Naziah rizvi (talk) 11:44, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment That an article has been tagged with a particular Wikipedia workgroup template does not imply that the subject is notable. Anybody can tag any article with any workgroup template; the articles under discussion have all been created by the same two editors, and the same users have tagged the articles with the India/literature workgroup templates - in some cases they mistakenly tagged them as high-importance, which was rectified by other editors later, but none of this means that the books are notable. --bonadea contributions talk 15:44, 20 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Comment SIR, I respect your skills and knowledge. This is correct that the above mentioned articles had been created by two users. But I totally disagree with your quest that the books are not notable and this had been done by mistake. History of Hindi blogging. This is the one and the only book concerned with Hindi Blogging. which is popular and likewise there are other many more books.Mala chaubey (talk) 07:39, 21 August 2014 (UTC)


 * KEEP, It appears that this isn't a single book, but a trilogy, and I was able to find coverage enough to show that the series as a whole passes notability guidelines. If we were looking at each book individually then they may not necessarily pass, but as a series they seem to be notable enough.Naziah rizvi (talk) 08:39, 21 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Which 3 of the 10 articles nominated form trilogy? And if you have found enough coverage, please present them here. §§ Dharmadhyaksha §§ {T/C} 10:57, 21 August 2014 (UTC)


 * The reviews don't have to be for the trilogy as a whole (3 novels, 3 none fiction, 2 poetry book & 1 magezine). They can be for the individual novels (Taki Bacha Rahe Loktantra, Prem Na Hat Bikay and Dharati Pakad Nirdaliya) and still count towards notability for the series as a whole. It's actually incredibly common for us to have an article for a series as a whole, especially if the books might not otherwise have enough coverage for each work to have a page to themselves. It's very, very, very common to keep a page for a series and I've seen countless AfDs close with "redirect to series page" because the coverage for all of the books does equal out to notability for the series as a whole. Just because the articles here cover specific books instead of covering the entire series doesn't mean that the series as a whole isn't notable because they don't review the entire series. Individual reviews still count towards notability for the series as a whole. I'm sorry, but I disagree with you- I think that individual reviews still count towards the overall notability for a series and there's no precedent to say that reviews have to mention the entire series in order to count towards notability for a series page. What you're suggesting here (that series page has to have series coverage otherwise coverage doesn't count) hasn't been part of the policy to date. I'll mention it at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Books, but I'm almost 100% positive that individual reviews count towards notability as a series.Naziah rizvi (talk) 14:07, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Copying arguments word for word from other deletion discussions doesn't actually make your case stronger, especially since a lot of the content in the post does not apply here! I think all of us appreciate how difficult it can be to participate in discussions in a language that is not our native language (I'm not a native speaker of English, myself) but please try to use your own words anyway, because using other people's words only confuses the issue. The three books you mention do not appear to form a trilogy - from what I understand from the descriptions and the sources, they are three stand-alone books by the same author, which is not the same thing as a series. And it seems that neither the individual books, nor the books as a group, have received significant coverage in multiple independent sources. If you are aware of other sources (that talk about the books, not the author), please post them here. Thanks, --bonadea contributions talk 14:28, 22 August 2014 (UTC)


 * To get inspired by some other ideas and scripts is not wrong. In my view I had tried to express the same in my own words. I don't think that the series should be deleted. If you have any type of suggestion please do suggest. All Books does have some coverage in Hindi and English language sources. I think the series is notable.Notable topic with significant coverage in independent reliable sources. Needs improvement but that is no reason to delete.Naziah rizvi (talk) 06:04, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
 * It is certainly not wrong to be inspired, but it is important not to pass other peoples' opinions and experiences off as one's own. The suggestion is still to present the significant independent coverage of the books which you have mentioned, rather than simply stating that it exists. Since the articles lack that sourcing, there is no way to tell that the books are notable. I have put in a bit of work in the articles to eliminate inappropriate text and links, so I know that there was never any such coverage, and there still isn't. (Sources that simply mention the books by name do not constitute significant coverage. Sources about the author do not show notability for his books. Library records do not show notability.) --bonadea contributions talk 07:23, 23 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Due to equipment maintenance, Library records do not show notability. Please wait, We expect them to be available again by the evening of Sunday, August 24. Thanks. Naziah rizvi (talk) 08:34, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
 * No, library records do not show notability at all. That a book is catalogued by the Library of Congress shows that it exists, but not that it is notable. Please take a moment to read up on what the notability guideline for books actually says. --bonadea contributions talk 08:11, 24 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Thank you to for reliable views. Some serious work has been done by myself and others to improve related all above articles. It now meets notability and neutrality standards.Mala chaubey (talk) 07:14, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
 * The Library of Congress link you provide above gives nothing but just that the book exists. Please read WP:NBOOK and point-wise state which notability criterion these books meet. §§ Dharmadhyaksha §§ {T/C} 05:06, 25 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Completely pointless argument. Wikipedia is not paper. Just because something references is not notable to someone from subject, doesn't mean that it's not notable. I trust your judgement on the sources so that confirms my hunch that it's notable.Naziah rizvi (talk) 12:53, 25 August 2014 (UTC)


 * I & other users completed a cleanup. All this article needs is a good polishing and copy edit and it is in good shape. I feel all hindi & some english references which are in the article are good enough. This is most likely notable.Mala chaubey (talk) 11:03, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Looks like you two don't understand it. Carry on! §§ Dharmadhyaksha §§ {T/C} 12:51, 25 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete all. No evidence of notability. --Randykitty (talk) 12:58, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete all per nom. This is actually perhaps a case of cross-wiki spamming and WP:COI.-- Vigyani talkਯੋਗਦਾਨ 15:27, 25 August 2014 (UTC)


 * notability evidence of Hindi Blogging ka Itihas: (1) olcc worldcat(2) open library               (3) qsensei scholar (4) oclc classification (5) oclc classification details                       (6) openlibrary details (7) History of Hindi blogging (Google Book)(8)Review in Hindi: ब्लागिंग पर रवीन्द्र प्रभात की अनुपम पहलMala chaubey (talk) 11:47, 26 August 2014 (UTC)


 * notability evidence of Hindi Blogging : Abhivyakti Ki Nai Kranti:(1) Hindi Blogging : Abhivyakti ki nai kranti in Sensei scholar (2) Library of Congress Catalog Record (3) olcc worldcat (4) openlibrary details (5) GOOGLE BOOK (6) News regarding book release in South asia TodayMala chaubey (talk) 11:59, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Only the links 8 in first list and 6 in the 2nd list perhaps can be of any value in determining if or if not these books are notable. Rest of the links only show that books exist, which no one is denying. I am bit surprised that you are an admin on a well running Wikimedia project (Hindi Wikipedia) and you still lack sufficient knowledge of notability guidelines. -- Vigyani talkਯੋਗਦਾਨ 12:08, 26 August 2014 (UTC)


 * in my opinion, this is a totally farcical nomination. because Should be analyzed all book one by one.Mala chaubey (talk) 12:26, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Nothing wrong with saving the community some time by grouping a bunch of similar articles into one AfD. --Randykitty (talk) 12:31, 26 August 2014 (UTC)


 * ADMIN ON HINDI WIKIPEDIA!!! Am shocked. I should also run for adminship there even if I make many Hindi spelling mistakes. And btw, I agree with you Vigyani. These few accounts and IPS have been using WP for promotion. No wonder why that author Ravindra Prabhat has articles on 48 Wikipedias; many of which are edited by this particular user. I will make sure that most of those are deleted. I have already nominated a huge chunk on Hindi Wikipedia for deletion and am going to keep a track of them over here. Do join me if you wish to. §§ Dharmadhyaksha §§ {T/C} 12:32, 26 August 2014 (UTC)


 * All the articles are related, and are created and largely worked upon by the same editors and using same/similar sources. In such conditions it is common to nominate a group of articles together. -- Vigyani talkਯੋਗਦਾਨ 12:33, 26 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete all  If consensus is if all the above articles should be removed without delay.Mala chaubey (talk) 12:48, 26 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete all Clearly a walled garden and almost certainly a form of spamming. We need sources that discuss the books in some detail, not catalogues and passing mentions. - Sitush (talk) 13:02, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
 * check http://www.amazon.in/gp/aw/d/9380916140/ref=mw_dp_mpd?pd=1 http://www.southasiatoday.org/2011/04/new-book-hindi-blogging-expression-of.html?m=1 in this image x-cm launch the book. so notibalty of this book is true.Amt000 (talk) 13:47, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
 * A source that writes the kind of cripple English that this one uses is not something I can take very seriously... When I go to the homepage, this looks like a kind of blog. In any case, it does not look like a professional publication. --Randykitty (talk) 14:37, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Regardless of the value of the source, one brief account of the book launch comes nowhere near the multiple non-trivial publications required - this is a trivial mention, not an in-depth article, and even if it had been published in the Guardian it would not be enough to show notability. --bonadea contributions talk 15:23, 26 August 2014 (UTC)


 * what about this http://www.amazon.in/gp/aw/d/9380916140/ref=mw_dp_mpd?pd=1 . amazon should notibale if notAmt000 (talk) 15:51, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Amazon is a book seller, being listed there is absolutely not a sign of notability. --Randykitty (talk) 15:58, 26 August 2014 (UTC)


 * COI & Promotion: User:Mala chaubey and User:Naziah rizvi have been accused of promoting Prabhat, the author of all these book, on Hindi Wikipedia. A long discussion on Hindi Wikipedia is over here (sec 36 to 41). (Most of it is also in English.) Prabhat's son-in-law Aalok Bhardwaj, an actor and also at AfD now]] is interviewed for South Asia Today by a certain Nazia Rizvi. This source has been used on en.wiki mostly in relation with Prabhat. In such case, should SAT be considered reliable for Prabhat related article? One such reference is being provided here at this AfD to claim notability. §§ Dharmadhyaksha §§ {T/C} 05:28, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Here is the list of the accounts used for Promoting Ravindra Prabhat, his writings, blogs, sayings, etc across English, Hindi, Urdu, Arabic, Ido, Esperanto, Japanese, Vietnamese and many more WMF Wiki projects. --Muzammil (talk) 18:58, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
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