Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hingis – V. Williams rivalry


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. Courcelles 00:19, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

Hingis – V. Williams rivalry

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It is just a repository of results and is unsourced. Armbrust Talk  Contribs  01:07, 5 December 2010 (UTC)  Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:05, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions.  -- Jclemens-public (talk) 02:51, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Courcelles 15:14, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete: simply an (unsourced) tabulation of sports results (WP:NOT, WP:NOT, or simply generally WP:IINFO), lacking any WP:SECONDARY source information interpreting or evaluating this "rivalry". HrafnTalkStalk(P) 14:45, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep - Don't see how this article fits any of the categories under WP:NOTREPOSITORY, i.e., mere collections of external links or Internet directories, mere collections of internal links, mere collections of public domain or other source material such as entire books or source code, original historical documents, letters, laws, proclamations, and other source material that are only useful when presented with their original, unmodified wording, or mere collections of photographs or media files. Article needs expansion, but basis for deletion of an article on a seemingly notable rivalry has not been established. Rlendog (talk) 18:33, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment I think you've noted it yourself - "seemingly notable" - but not verifiably notable? What makes this, in its current format, verifiably notable?  The Rambling Man (talk) 19:20, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment - What does "current format" have to do with notability? Rlendog (talk) 15:39, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
 * It means when I wrote that comment there was no evidence of verifiable notability. I think that's pretty obvious.  The Rambling Man (talk) 16:01, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Keep and expand and reference better. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 06:00, 20 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete I see no evidence of verifiable notability here, other than people's personal opinions on whether this is notable. And as an aside, the title should be changed from "V. Williams" to "Venus Williams" in any case. The Rambling Man (talk) 10:13, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't think you looked very hard. I was able to add two references in just a few minutes. But you have to actually search, not just glance at the existing article. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 20:21, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Well done. But it's not my job to go searching for this kind of thing.  The article was woeful.  Now it's not quite so.  I applaud your ability to find the time to find the relevant references.  The Rambling Man (talk) 20:27, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you, your right it isn't your job to do the searching and I was surprised myself at finding them so readily. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 20:34, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I seem to recall there are other "rivalry" pages up for deletion like this. If you could do the same for those, so much the better.  I have to admit to have judged each page on its on "merit" (which generally speaking meant no merit at all).  The Rambling Man (talk) 20:37, 20 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep Google news archive search shows results on the first try.
 * The Washington Times: Hingis, V. Williams forging a great rivalry
 * $2.95 - Washington Times - NewsBank - May 13, 1998
 * It's early in the year but not too early to declare that Martina Hingis and Venus Williams are :going to own women's tennis. Everyone else is a subplot at ...

A major news paper has an article about this "great rivalry". Remember, most Wikipedia articles were created before they started asking for references to be in them. So its best to do a quick Google news search BEFORE you try to delete something.  D r e a m Focus  20:42, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Fine, but this article is less than a year old, and we asked for references way before that. But good advice, nevertheless!!! The Rambling Man (talk) 20:47, 20 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Note: The article under discussion here has been flagged for rescue by the Article Rescue Squadron.  Snotty Wong   spill the beans 23:04, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:NOT. Top-rated professional tennis athletes will end up playing each other.  Often.  This is not uncommon.  They play a lot of tennis matches.  While the sources added to the article do indeed include the word "rivalry", I don't feel that there is evidence of a relationship between these two athletes beyond that of any normal relationship between two top-rated athletes who regularly compete against one another.  There isn't an article to be written here.  You could add a few sentences about how Hingis made a comment about how Williams isn't good enough, and Williams responded diplomatically.  The sources wouldn't allow for much more than a few statements to be added to the article.  If this article were accurately titled, it would be List of results of Hingis - V. Williams tennis matches.  Snotty Wong   spill the beans 23:04, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.