Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hip Hop 100


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The result was   delete. Renzoy16 makes a valiant effort to prove notability, but his sources fall short. The article even appears slightly promotional in nature and discusses the content of the list rather than the list iteself. Sources presented are not significant or about the blog. v/r - TP 18:46, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Hip Hop 100

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An annual list complied by a hiphop blog (although the article does not state this at present). I'm having trouble seeing this as a notable thing in its own right. The blog itself does not have an article, although Rocky Williform (the founder of the blog), StreetCred (another Williform blog) and this article seem to be a tiny walled garden created and maintained by single-purpose accounts. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 16:47, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep. The article should not be deleted and is relevant, especially for the followers of the hip hop genre. Though some people might take the page as not important and irrelevant to have its own article in Wikipedia, I think the article should not be deleted as because it provides the readers information, regarding who are this top people from the hip hop genre who had greatly shaped the hip hop culture and the hip hop scene yearly. It greatly summarizes the people's accomplishments grouped into categories: arts, humanities, and business (rationale for the categories are found in the article). It is not just a simple yearly compilation of people, it is a compilation of people who have great impacts in the hip hop scene, culture, and industry. Regarding on the article for the website/blog, I am currently into it: HipHopBlog.com. I am currently looking for references to finish it.-- Renzoy16 &#124; Talk to me 17:46, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete: List compiled by a non-notable blog. SL93 (talk) 18:53, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment. The list comes from a notable source. Hip Hop Blog was even cited in the following links:
 * http://www.mtv.co.uk/music/urban/246585-tim-westwood-and-dizzee-rascal-make-it-into-the-hip-hop-100 (That's MTV UK, a notable source)
 * http://blogs.ajc.com/the-buzz/2010/11/22/a-trio-of-celeb-turkey-giveaways-on-tuesday/
 * http://blogs.bet.com/music/sound-off/jay-z-diddy-stephen-hill-and-more-listed-as-most-influential-people-in-hip-hop/ (BET.com is another notable source too)
 * http://www.ozonemag.com/?p=31887
 * http://www.sys-con.com/node/1614176
 * Being noted in different articles across the web, will certainly increase the notability of the list and of the blog itself.
 * Notability can also be based on the amount of web content. Google is indexing 3.5 million pages on the website. See this screen shot (Screenshot of Google Search Index) or type into Google the following: site:hiphopblog.com and you will get the search results. This makes the site notable.
 * Also, the articles are part of Google News Feed. You can click on news and type the following site and see that Google adds the articles into the Google newsfeed: site:hiphopblog.com. Also, see this screen shot of the Google News results (Google News Search Screenshot)).
 * Google added the site's content as part of the Google and this is major. You dont become a part of the Google News if you are not a notable source. -- Renzoy16 &#124; Talk to me 20:29, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 23:41, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 23:42, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment. I really hope that the article would not be deleted. I really gave strong points to keep this article. I also hope that people will respond on this discussion. Anyways, have a nice day everyone!--Renzoy16 &#124; Contact Me 21:24, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Being cited does not amount to significant coverage. Google hits do not show notability. Being a part of the Google news feed does not show notability. Read WP:WEB. SL93 (talk) 21:27, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 * According to WP:WEB, notability is meeting any one of the criterias Wikipedia had set. For one it had meet the trivial coverage.
 * Another one is based on the section of No inherent notability. It states there that:
 * When evaluating the notability of web content, please consider whether they have had any significant or demonstrable effects on culture, society, entertainment, athletics, economies, history, literature, science, or education. High-traffic websites are likely to have more readily available verifiable information from reliable sources that provide evidence of notability. However, smaller websites can be notable. Arbitrary standards should not be used to create a bias favoring larger websites.
 * The article has significant or has demonstrated effects in the hip hop culture and of the hip hop entertainment industry.--Renzoy16 &#124; Contact Me 01:02, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Can you prove that? SL93 (talk) 01:07, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
 * The blog is a news type blog/website. Any news website that has a wide coverage (especially it's in internet and used by Google News as well) will surely make an impact in today's culture. Just because the site is not known (perhaps by non-followers/fans of hip hop), it doesn't mean it is not notable. I have cited lots of points here. I really don't know why, it is not still considered notable.
 * My point here is that, the article has meet one of the criteria found in WP:WEB. Wouldn't that ends this issue? The article is not a list of people! It's a list of perhaps the most influential people in the hip hop scene. --Renzoy16 &#124; Contact Me 18:41, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Being in a Google News search doesn't show notability. I see many Wordpress blogs in Google News searches so that proves nothing, SL93 (talk) 21:56, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I found this:
 * HipHopBlog was a nominee of 2010 YGEA Awards. See this:
 * YGEA Awards Ballot or
 * YGEA Website 2010 Nominees
 * Hiphopenquirer.com--Renzoy16 &#124; Contact Me 00:19, 18 January 2012 (UTC)
 * It also won the awards: Awards Result--Renzoy16 &#124; Contact Me 06:00, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

Thereby meeting the criteria of (Notability Web) trivial coverage such as content descriptions in Internet directories or online stores. --Renzoy16 &#124; Contact Me 06:21, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment. It has also been listed in with content descriptions different internet directories, such as:
 * AboutUs.org
 * ansearch.com
 * nonar.com
 * In fact, WP:NWEB states that "trivial coverage such as content descriptions in Internet directories or online stores" is not sufficient to base a claim of notability on. ŞůṜīΣĻ ¹98¹ Speak 11:55, 23 January 2012 (UTC)


 * I tend to say Delete having reviewed points thus made. The notability of the blog itself seems to be debatable and, more pertinantly, the annual list itself doesn't satisfy me as having received significant coverage from multiple reliable sources. ŞůṜīΣĻ ¹98¹ Speak 11:55, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Stroked my comment out, missed the except word. But anyways, sources stated above are notable.--Renzoy16 &#124; Contact Me 01:51, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
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