Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hip Hop Movement


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Daniel (talk) 23:15, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

Hip Hop Movement



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Largely self-promotional, not a real thing, etc. seems to have been written by the subject to whom the topic is attributed. isento (talk) 21:11, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

Street sting What do you mean by not a real thing, self-pomo? Are we talking about the same thing here, not a real thing of cause you have not done your homework and just attacking, how can it not be a real thing when this man owns the name Hip Hop Movement, I think he can make hip hop movement whatever he wants uspto.gov --Street sting (talk) 07:09, 24 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete. No WP:RS to back up this idea, page more or less promotes someone's interpretation on what Hip Hop is. Yee no  (talk) 🍁 21:49, 17 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Street sting WP:RS Where in this article that clearly states This article is about samples of Hip Hop Movement as the new Civil Rights Movement & Music Genre. For the music genre, see Hip hop music. For other uses, see Hip hop., HIP HOP and HIP HOP MOVEMENT ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS, no one is talking about hip hop in this page, it's on hip hop movement as the new civil rights, you all are getting this mixed up. It's also stated in other books hip hop movement is its own set of elements and meaning, this is no self-promo here (I am just a regular person from Bronx River Projects in the Bronx, NY, yes the land of the Zulu Nation where hip hop started, this man got molested and we giving him his just dues and 100% the truth, you all are not from hip hops beginning so you don't know nothing about hip hop movement, hip hop and hip hop movement is two different things) these are facts taking from sources, before talking about deleting a page (thats been up here for 5 years and been approved by wikipedia) about something you don't know about, trying reading up on it starting from 2016-2021 and then add to the article. Do you know Ronald Savage put out a desist and deceased order for people to stop using the word and term Hip Hop Movement, you all want to delete something you don't even know about, I guess he trying to stop people like you from falsely giving out wrong information on Hip Hop Movement after he registered the rights to the word and term Hip Hop Movement, ask people on youtube or social media who owns Hip Hop Movement I bet they say Ron "Bee-Stinger" Savage. I don't know him but I'm trying to meet him--Street sting (talk) 07:22, 24 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 21:56, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 21:56, 17 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete, messy essay. Geschichte (talk) 21:30, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete, Promotional article. Alex-h (talk) 07:38, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete: coverage is weak and reliable sources not found. Self-promotional Artical TheDreamBoat (talk) 06:46, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete There certainly could be an article about the hip hop movement, but this focuses solely on one interpretation, has no worldview, and is essentially a personal essay. –– F ORMAL D UDE ( talk ) 02:50, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Hip hop: Looks like an WP:ESSAY. It's best to merge important stuff to any part of the target article. ASTIG😎  (ICE T • ICE CUBE) 10:30, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

•Keep User: Street stingKeep - The research on hip hop movement and its real meaning MUST be keep kept, if you all want to add to it to make it better please do but don't delete a page that has been on WIKI FOR 5 YEARS, please do this seems to be nothing more then an attack on this hip hop legend Ron "BeeoStinger" Savage by Piotr Jr. I ask that this article for deletion of hip hop movement which this man Ronald Savage OWNS. This is an attack after years of this being on wiki and in books, I believe Piotr Jr is a part of the Zulu Nation which covered up this man's alleged sexual abuse.

1) piotr Jr - went to this guy Ronald Savage wiki page first and removed the part where this hero fought for the passing of the child victims Act which everyone in the world knows this, it was covered worldwide in every online press and offline press.

2) Not one hip hop pioneer objected to Hip Hop Movement in wiki because it is giving the real facts and everyone knows that Ronald Savage trademarked Hip Hop Movement because he is the person who coined the 6 elements of the hip hop movement, it is clear that Piotr Jr. is attacking this mans legacy and does not know the true meaning or the new direction the hip hop movement has taken in this new digital era.

3) Piotr Jr -even took out from Ronald Savage wiki all the songs this man-made (smh) as being a hip hop artist, he would not have done this to any other hip hop artist, and just from this I request that his wiki has been vandalized and attacked by Piotr Jr., I submit this like to amazon as proof that Piotr jr is trying to use wiki and it's other uses to attack this man's history for his own personal vendetta when hip hop movement was APPROVED OCT3, 2016, 5 years ago and wiki will allow this man to hold a deletion on Hip Hop Movement which is respected around the world and this is the man who holds the rights to the word and means, I am shocked at wiki users to fall for this slander and attack. I submit this link as evidence as a personal attack by Piotr Jr on the legendary Ron "Bee-Stinger" Savage https://music.amazon.com/search/ron+savage?filter=IsLibrary%7Cfalse&sc=none

Why would a wiki user remove this man's songs off his wiki page unless it's personal then the same day at the top of hip hop movement on wiki it states: This article is about samples of Hip Hop Movement as the new Civil Rights Movement & Music Genre. It also states For the music genre, see Hip hop music. For other uses, see Hip hop. to show any kind of confusion between the two as new people to hip hop do all the time, For the people who said to delete I hope you see this attack and also for people who do not know their hip hop history as I do, Hip Hop Movement WAS NEVER EVER USED IN A OFFICIAL CAPACITY AND HAD NO REAL MEANING, this is why they have saluted him on bringing meaning to hip hop movement and it being on wiki which was on his Facebook page years ago. Piotr Jr is trying to keep the truth about hip hop movement from the public, I respectfully ask that you reject this deletion immediately based on the attack on this artist even taking down his songs which is on every online store around the world, even his music videos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cu387y9EAg. Look what label it's on, I didn't even know this. Hip Hop Movement has been up on wiki for 5 years please do not let this man Piotr Jr at this point we don't know who he is or his personal attack on this legend. Hip Hop Movement has already passed approval 5 years ago and I request that Piotr Jr be banned from editing Ronald Savage or Hip Hop Movement --Street sting (talk) 22:21, 23 July 2021 (UTC)


 * This wiki page has already been approved and has been up on Wikipedia for 6 years, we had done so much research on hip hop movement and its registered trademark owner Ronald Savage, also other Wikipedia users helped in building and giving ideas 6 years ago when someone up it up for deletion even he held to build and give ideas to the page and it has never been asked for deletion again, Let me give my reason first on this deletion request and its legitimacy, Piotr Jr is the one who put this up for deletion when the pioneers of hip hop who started hip hop and yes Ronald Savage was there with them liked the Hip Hop Movement Wikipedia page, im from new york and I have shown some of them and they are happy for the work and gives Ronald Savage his much-needed props like Busy Bee, Grand Puba, Jazzy Jay, and others.

pioptr Jr then took out of Ronald Savage Wikipedia page that mentioned that he was one of the childhood sexual abuse victims who fought to get the child victims act passed here in NYS, "who would do such a terrible thing like this to a survivor" then he unlinked the hip hop movement link on Ronald Savage page, this was first after he went to the Hip Hop Movement page on Wikipedia and asked for the page to be deleted, because it mentions Ronald Savage, look at the time frame, it is safe to say that this was intentional, I ask respectfully that this discussion removal be stopped on good faith on a page that has already been approved and up for 6 years, and if you like you are welcome to make changes to the page rather take a page down thats been up with no complaints at all other then Pioptr Jr whi wants it down with no legitimate reason other then his own and Ronald savage being mentioned, for god stances the man owns the rights to Hip Hop Movement whiched is registered and he turn something he coined the 6 elements of the hip hop movement, if you can see he is not taking anything away from hip hop and as you see hip hop and hip hop movement are legally two different after 2016, hip hop movement never ever had a meaning and thats a fact. You all will be doing a real misjustice to the real legal meaning of Hip Hop Movement, and i don't know wikipedia FOR covering up the truth. -Street sting the page creator of the Hip Hop Movement Page
 * 1) Pioptr Jr first went to Ronald Savage page on Wikipedia and removed all of his listed hip hop songs this man has done to show he is a hip hop artist, POPTR JR would not have done that to any other artist on Wikipedia listing their songs showing they are an artist.

I list this as my evidence:

curprev 21:26, 17 July 2021‎ Yeeno talk contribs‎ 14,861 bytes −307‎  format discography undothank

curprev 21:32, 17 July 2021‎ Piotr Jr. talk contribs‎ 12,770 bytes −94‎  →‎Non-profit and political work: ce for neutrality and tone, cut unverified undothank

curprev 21:07, 17 July 2021‎ Piotr Jr. talk contribs‎ 9,534 bytes +417‎  AfD: Nominated for deletion; see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hip Hop Movement. undothank Street sting (talk) 02:30, 24 July 2021 (UTC)--Street sting (talk) 02:30, 24 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete, Sources don't support the article, which is a clear work of self-promotion. - MrOllie (talk) 16:45, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete. This article is clearly self-promotional. TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 18:24, 24 July 2021 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.