Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hiroko Yamashita (actress)


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The result was   keep. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:01, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

Hiroko Yamashita (actress)

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Contested PROD. BLP with no sources or significant claims to notability. returns four IMDB pages and a bunch of "Results for similar searches," such as a linguist with the same name. --BDD (talk) 16:01, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. --BDD (talk) 16:02, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Japan-related deletion discussions. --BDD (talk) 16:02, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. --BDD (talk) 16:02, 11 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep The name is rather common--as are the kanji 山下裕子--but this is a fairly prominent actress who has worked mostly on television and the stage. She is in the Talent Databank and the TV Star Web Directory, and has appeared in some 58 TV dramas according to the TV Drama Database , including the popular Onsen e iko franchise . On stage, she was a member of Shoji Kokami's troupe, Daisan Butai, but also appeared frequently in plays directed by Yukio Ninagawa, Hideki Noda (playwright), and Makoto Sato . Searching the national newspaper, Asahi Shimbun (using a subscription only database), produces a number of hits, but mostly just from reviews of her plays or shows. The only article exclusively on her I could find in that paper was from October 18, 2003, on p. 34. So while I could not find a lot of articles just on her, there's good evidence she has a solid career in both stage and television, and thus passes criterion 1 in WP:NACTOR. Michitaro (talk) 01:46, 13 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep - the reason the stub is stubby is probably more because she's a middle-aged actress and doesn't have a fanboy base rather than actual notability. http://news.goo.ne.jp/entertainment/talent/W93-3119.html doesn't have the full list of TV soaps of the ja.wp article, but can't help thinking if we bothered to search on those shows + her name such as http://www.google.com/search?q="山下裕子"+"温泉へ行こう" we'd find more refs. In ictu oculi (talk) 01:50, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

by the way as per User:Calathan comment on deprod (Removing prod - Not a valid reason for deletion. Older unreferenced BLPs are not deleted solely due to being unreferenced. If you searched for sources but couldn't find any, that would be a valid reason for deletion, but the prod didn't imply that.) no one should ever PROD a BLP which has sources in the interwiki article (in this case ja.wp) if they cannot read the interwiki article (in this case Japanese). There have been many discussions about this but I am concerned that the PROD guideline still doesn't make this clear. In ictu oculi (talk) 01:55, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I did look at the corresponding article in the Japanese Wikipedia. It didn't have any footnotes, just an external link, and it looked to me an IMDB-like site. That's PRODworthy anywhere. I'm happy to be proven wrong about the notability, but the PROD was to the best of my linguistic ability. --BDD (talk) 03:36, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I am afraid many are misusing WP:BLPPROD. As it states in the description, an article should only be tagged if it contains "no sources in any form (as references, external links, etc.), which support any statements made about the person in the biography". Too many are mistakenly thinking the article has to have actual references or RS. But as long as it has an external link that confirms anything about the person, even their name, BLPPROD cannot be used. The link on the Japanese wikipedia article was to her official profile. While that might not be an independent RS, the BLPPROD directions clearly state that using the tag should not involve a judgement about the reliability of the external link. In the end, there is "different treatment of presence of sources for placement of the tag, verses removal of the tag." That is, any source, RS or not, can prevent placement of the tag, but only an RS can enable removal of the tag. To quote: "Only add a BLPPROD if there are no sources in any form that name the subject, but once (properly) placed, it can only be removed if a reliable source is added. This compromise avoids the need for judgement calls about reliability of sources for placement, and limits that issue to the far fewer instances, at the other end, where a source is actually added during the ten-day period." Michitaro (talk) 04:05, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
 * no worries, previous discussion has generally been related enthusiasts prodding for example a Soviet academic because "no sources in English" and suchlike. We have so much dubious content that does have English "sources" (cough) such as Felix Pfeifle - now that looks AfD material to me. In ictu oculi (talk) 04:50, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
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