Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hirondelles


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Lack of sources. Only keep arguments are SPAs; both IPs have made NO other edits than to this AfD. Shimeru (talk) 21:15, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Hirondelles

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This is not a well-written article, to put it mildly: much of its content is promotional (note the use of the first person), and it's verbose. In many ways it does not come close to meeting WP guidelines for style and content, but worse, I can find no reliable source establishing notability--see this search]. No articles or other references are provided. I could prune this article down to acceptable size and format, but that effort would be wasted until someone else can supply references. Drmies (talk) 14:57, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete. I agree that there's not much worth saving in this article.  I'm having a hard time finding anything about this place.  I tried hard, too - if it's a real place, and with a green initiative behind it, I would expect something... even just a news article somewhere.  There's a couple links mentioning a "Cap des Hirondelles," but not with any information whatsoever.  Until anything notable can be found, I second this.  Sheeana  Talk 15:07, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep. I don't agree. Green Village Hirondelles is a green urban development design in Vietnam, all data public in the workshops. Supported by several universities like BTU Cottbus, Prof.em. Volker Martin, by the UNESCO Chair in Sustainable Urban Development in Asia and Pacific, The University of Newcastle Australia, universities in Vietnam and Germany. Green Village Hirondelles gives students, examninees, PhDs an open platform for their theses. The text is written by students, examinees from Germany and Vietnam, no English native speeking people. Hirondelles is the synonym about the swallos flying there. Hirondelles is the first urban development in Vietnam with this green impact and designed from students in this green concequence. Green Village Hirondelles probably will be the first Asian example of green development. But as you see from the data, everything is just started to become public. Hirondelles is a future orientated green design. No student, no examninee knows anothers projects in Vietnam with this consequent green impact. The examples you present have nothing to do with this green sustainable and future orientated design. Hirondelles is a huge urban calculation and design of students and professors. Hirondelles is supported by NPO´s and government. For students Green Village Hiorndelles is future, an example to be back on reliable urban development.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Michael Gade (talk • contribs) 15:48, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Michael, I hope you don't mind: I have slightly refactored your comment to fit with the usual format of these things--I assume you would say keep in this discussion. If not, click on "View history" and "undo" my edit. Drmies (talk) 16:12, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Michael, as I said to Florian, what we need are some notable sources about the project. This could information in a journal, newspaper, book, or notable website.  Without any external sources, we're just unable to establish that the project is notable.  If you can find such sources, I'm happy to help rewrite the article.  Sheeana  Talk 16:36, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Vietnam-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 16:57, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Environment-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 16:57, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep I don’t agree with the deletion. In my encyclopedic sense files about Hirondelles are indispensable in encyclopedias. The workshops agreed to present results in publishing in encyclopedic media.

The Hirondelles’ students in Saigon gave an update about Wikipedia Encyclopedia Hirondelles’  file. Universities propose encyclopedias as an education, science and cultural research. In 2008 for education and science workshops Hirondelles foundation gave the opportunity for universities in several countries of 3 continents, like Germany, Vietnam and Australia. The use of encyclopedia should result in increasing of educational and scientific knowledge. Hirondelles gives people the opportunity to learn about climate change, energy efficiency as well as global awareness. All Hirondelles workshops are engaged with scientists in clean development designs and green building designs.

Moreover, Hirondelles is a typically encyclopedic representative in education, science and culture, as Hirondelles presents education and science new results in energy efficiency in tropical areas (high temperature and high humidity), reactions to climate change, prevention in global warming and designing carbon neutral urban development. Hirondelles is a 2 years work of urban design and since several months in first workshops. Since April 2010 United Nations education, science and culture organization - UNESCO Chair in sustainable urban development in Asia and Pacific decided to give intellectual support; based on Hirondelles’ green design. This is evidence of education, science and cultural value of Green Village Hirondelles in Vietnam, actually being the only supported green development. This provides evidence for encyclopedic value for other students, examinees, PhDs, engineers, experts. People with high interests get satisfied with encyclopedic reports. UNESCO is international representative of education, science and culture.

Wikipedia encyclopedia takes advantage of being an online encyclopedia compared to print media. Workshops are focusing on mentioning this advantage. In my encyclopedic sense it is for online encyclopedias valuable to have Hirondelles file. The Wikipedia decision is up to you.

Prof.em. Volker Martin – BTU Cottbus / Germany. Head of Hirondelles workshops and appointed Vice Chairman of Symposium UNESCO Chair in sustainable urban development in Asia and Pacific supporting Green Village Hirondelles in December 2010 in Ho Chi Minh City / Vietnam.123.20.103.57 (talk) 11:50, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete Either hoax or very likely non-notable, at least not verifiable. Polargeo (talk) 15:33, 10 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep I heard about green village Hirondelles in megacity project in Vietnam (megacity is biggest government climate change project in Vietnam between Vietnam and German government since several years). We megacity scientist / lectures talked in our workshop about Hirondelles and Wiki. Hirondelles will have future impact in green designs in Vietnam. Its support by UNESCO Chair is unique. I verified and ask Prof. Martin. Yes, keep it. Green village Hirondelles is on the way to become example of megacity spread-out theory. Well done science. Megacity 222.254.179.158 (talk) 03:08, 13 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep reflecting from start of Hirondelles Wikipedia file a week ago: The foundation understood the university workshops approach (especially the workshops in Vietnam and Germany) for a science publicity coming out with Green Village Hirondelles and its UNESCO Chair support. It is unique in Vietnam and in SE Asia. Since last 2 years the foundation publicity policy was focused on universities and workshops, students, examinees, experts, not in media. The foundation´s purpose is to give engineers, urban planners and architects, as well as students, examinees, PhDs a foundation real estate platform to realize green designs, to be a realistic part of preventing climate change, global warming, future health lifestyle and creating a new sustainable urban village, study the urban spread-out theory.

Green Village Hirondelles presents for 7,000 people a unique spread-out urban solution with green technologies in tropical energy efficient architecture with a main focus on energy efficiency success and strong green footprint. The foundation agreed with a online encyclopedia file with focus on green footprint information and UNESCO Chair support. Media promotion is not the purpose of the foundation and is not purpose of the Wikipedia file. The foundation agrees with the Wikipedia encyclopedia file as the foundation sees the solid information online platform.

To verify Green Village Hirondelles´ content is possible in universities documentations and UNESCO Chair. Hajo Sauer (talk) 12:35, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
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