Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hiroyuki Tsuchida (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Mark Arsten (talk) 18:59, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

Hiroyuki Tsuchida
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Per the deletion review this has severe issues that need community input. As this is a procedural listing following from my close of the DRV I am neutral. Spartaz Humbug! 15:21, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Japan-related deletion discussions. --DAJF (talk) 02:26, 29 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete - A random murderer. No evidence of influence on law, culture, and society beyond being a news item for some time. Staszek Lem (talk) 20:40, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Redirect To Otaku, and merge whatever is viable to that. Not being familiar with this culture thing, if someone has an issue with my estimate of where this fits please let me know. § FreeRangeFrog croak 21:31, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Otaku. Agree with FreeRangeFrog. It looks like there's already significant content on this topic there, not much else in this article that could be added, and not enough to justify splitting off the content from that article. ~Amatulić (talk) 23:56, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete. This was a single murder which received only typical transient levels of news coverage at the time of arrest and at the time of conviction, making this a textbook WP:BLP1E case. Neither of the news sources cited mention anything about Evangelion, nor do they describe him as an otaku, so I would oppose the idea of redirecting to the Otaku article. --DAJF (talk) 00:22, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
 * The Otaku article already provides coverage of this topic. Therefore, a redirect makes perfect sense. ~Amatulić (talk) 06:34, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Hmmm, I can't see any mention of this person in the Otaku article, and the article does not appear to have been edited since then. The Otaku section quite rightly discusses the crimes by Tsutomu Miyazaki and Kaoru Kobayashi, as these people/events received widespread coverage for years afterward, to the extent that they could be considered "household names" in Japan. However, as no reliable sources have been forthcoming to suggest that this murder caused similar social hand-wringing or a backlash against otaku, I still don't see how we can justify redirecting to the Otaku article. In fact, I would go as far as to say that redirecting in the absence of any such news coverage could be a WP:BLP violation. --DAJF (talk) 07:07, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
 * The ANN sources mention Evangelion, but they do not call Tsuchida an otaku. (The Google Translate output of the Japanese articles is pretty mangled, so I cannot comment on them.) Flatscan (talk) 05:11, 30 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete WP:NOTNEWS elvenscout742 (talk) 01:48, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete, poorly-sourced BLP1E, fails WP:CRIME. There are also two Anime News Network articles (translations and maybe summaries of now-dead Japanese newspaper sources) from the start of the trial and sentencing that describe the Neon Genesis Evangelion connection/motive. Note that most of the January 2013 revisions before had refs used on text that they did not support. I have not seen any source mention otaku or the "moral panic" from . The superficial news coverage does not justify an article about the event (Murder of Etsuko Tsuchida) under WP:Notability (events). A merge would do disservice to Otaku by lumping Tsuchida in with Tsutomu Miyazaki and Kaoru Kobayashi. Flatscan (talk) 05:22, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 14:48, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
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 * delete I pushed for this to come to AfD, but A) this is a BLP one-event violation and B) I'm not seeing reliable sources strong enough to justify an event article. Also the proposed redirect doesn't mention him, so don't think that's a good idea. Hobit (talk) 03:46, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete After reading the page, I am sure that this directly falls under what is considered not notable per the one event notability guideline. He has only been mentioned at all because of this incident, which may even fall under what we call trivial coverage of information; thus, he also falls the general notability guideline. — Ṙ  ΛΧΣ  21  03:51, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete as a person known only for a single event. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:23, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
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