Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/His Highness Chu (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Spartaz Humbug! 18:59, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

His Highness Chu
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A search for references found nothing supporting the claims of this article, looking for "His Highness Chu", or "Zhufu Qiansuii". The article claims Their history is referred to as the Tang Dynasty though the Tang Dynasty which is a featured article makes no mentions relating to this article or it's contents that I could find. Nor does The Five (gods) mention any relationship to this articles content a relationship which was mentioned in the first AFD Articles for deletion/His Highness Chu. Mention is made of strong similarity between this article and the Chinese Wikipedia entry, which is actually about the 5 gods, not "His Highness Chu", also note that an article as significant as this should be does not cross link to the matching Taiwanese article. Fails WP:N & WP:V Jeepday (talk) 00:00, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Taiwan-related deletion discussions.  -- – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 00:23, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Religion-related deletion discussions.  -- – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 00:25, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Rename and rewrite. It should be Qiansui, and moving the article to, say The Five Highnesses may be warranted. The problem is finding WP:RS for WP:N and WP:V. It's hard to do it in China (where I am at the moment), as it's mostly a Taiwanese religion, and mainland China blocks a ridiculously large number of Taiwanese websites. But from what I can gather from a brief Google search, apparently they are officials of the early Tang Dynasty who were somehow deified. The name can refer to a number of gods, but those five listed in the article are apparently the most common. The English was pretty messy, but I don't think that's a basis for deletion. Tim Song (talk) 00:28, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Note - A check for references on "Qiansui", (Surfing from USA) did not find anything I could build even a stub article from, not seeing how the content could be made to pass WP:N and WP:V. Jeepday (talk) 00:44, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I meant that the second word is w/o the third i. Otherwise the transliteration looked fine. But I think the sources are mostly, if not all, in Chinese, which is a big problem. Here is a result for the five (Wufu Qiansui) on Gbooks. Tim Song (talk) 01:09, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
 * A Google search from Taiwan for 五府千歲 reveals a few potential Chinese-language sources, and the Chinese Wikipedia article has three offline references. If someone were prepared to go through and reference the article properly (probably including a rewrite while they're at it) then an article on The Five Highnesses as suggested by Tim Song above would satisfy WP:N and WP:V. Taiwantaffy (talk) 20:45, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
 * If there are 3 solid references in Chinese that can be added to the article, (even without proper formatting) that support the basic premise of the article it would meet WP:N and WP:V. I don't read Chinese, and am not finding anything in English (or translated to English) so I can not add references. If we can not confirm the reference support the article well enough to post them then maybe the best thing is delete so an editor with references in hand can write an article from scratch. Jeepday (talk) 22:54, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, I'm afraid that I can't be of much help with those offline sources since they were apparently published in Taiwan. Tim Song (talk) 23:23, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Delete Agree with Jeepday's conclusion above - delete it and let someone create an article for The Five Highnesses with proper references that establish notability. Taiwantaffy (talk) 11:29, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Per nomination. Warrior  4321  19:29, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I've added a reference that gives a trivial mention of The Five Highnesses, however unless more references can be added, this should probably be deleted. PhilKnight (talk) 19:35, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
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