Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/History of Smoking


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was  d elete. - Mailer Diablo 06:50, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

History of Smoking

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This article is redundant. See Smoking. This article is being developed in an effort to promote opinions held by one user, Naacats. See Talk:Smoking and read it all the way to the bottom, see Talk:Health_effects_of_tobacco_smoking and read that all the way to the bottom, also see Talk:Passive_smoking, and read the article he's written over at Smokers Rights. In the unlikely event this article were to become neither a redundant article nor a WP:NPOV violation, it would still be a mostly-empty article "under-construction" which belongs in a sandbox somewhere, not in the mainspace. Despite his claim that he's "running between computers" and therefore unable to use a sandbox, I'd like to point out that the sandbox pages are no different than a user page, and that one must simply navigate to where one made the sandbox to find it regardless of IP address. The article is unnecessary and its content will merely become an insipid point of contention. TeamZissou 10:02, 26 September 2007 (UTC) (Thiis at the request of an editor having difficulty with the AfD system. Reposting this on his behalf) super &beta;&epsilon;&epsilon; cat  10:34, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete - As much as I feel sorry for the guy in regards to his desperate pleas to keep the article I believe he should merge his ideas into an already existing smoking related article. Also, as TeamZissou quite rightly pointed out, this kind of 'under-construction' testing belongs in the sandbox. Ryan Lupin  (talk/contribs) 10:44, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Actually this page is being created to explain the HISTORY of smoking, exclusivly. This article was created in response to the lack of real information in smoking. The small ammount of historical information there would be welcome to be merged into here. The greater smoking article

Finally the user Teamzissou is POV pushing, and looking for any way to "fight" truth being put into the smoking article. I belive he's hoping to pressure me into giving up my efforts to correct the infactual information his POV supports, and get as many people "on his side" to look at the discussion there as possible. As proof you can see that he's messaged individuals, posted notes on other pages discussions, and now finally is trying to get the articles (Even the ones independant of the articles he's fighting about) that I am creating deleted. Check out his posting history if you need any further examples.

In any case, perhaps yes I should be using a sandbox. Despite notes across the page in multiple places stating that the page is being worked on, hes insisting on deleting the article. The other advantage to me not using a sandbox is that its easier for other people to contribute to the article. Naacats 10:48, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment I must point out that whatever difficulties you are facing with this, what you are doing with the article is really not the proper way of dealing with it at all. Use of a sandbox for your overhaul, along with a note on the article's talk page pointing interested editors to said sandbox so they could help, would be a far better way to go about it than the current mess.  Additionally, it seems what you are doing would fit far better as a subsection in the Smoking article.  Once the content is there and stable, if it grows enough it can then be split off into its own article. Rob T Firefly 14:58, 26 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete Obvious POV fork, and apparent COI problem as well. JQ 11:02, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete - already fully covered in Smoking. Unless smoking article is to be drastically shortened and all its history information were to be moved over to here. However the smoking article is very good in covering a wide breadth of aspects (history, physiology, cultural etc etc) that I do not see that article needing splitting. David Ruben Talk 11:30, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete - OR and POV. Although in the future, this article might be used for splitting off the main smoking article's history section to a subpage, it is being used at the moment as a OR POV article for the mentioned user. There's no current need to split off the history section of smoking and in which case, should be deleted. Spawn Man 12:16, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete - Redundant: the material is already covered in Smoking.Yilloslime (t) 16:22, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete: Clearly redundant and, under the circumstances, an obivous and intentional POV fork. Needs to go. Relevant info can be handled in smoking. MastCell Talk 16:52, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete, possibly userfy if this guy really wants to work on it. And there were about 4 templates on that page too many, including 2 AFD notices and a prod. I removed them.--UsaSatsui 19:55, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge what can be salvaged into Smoking and delete. ff m  17:11, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment: I don't see anything sourced or salvageable. MastCell Talk 18:43, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete There is nothing there to work with and this looks like just a POV fork. Userfication dose not seem to be an option because User:Naacats has been banned. Cheers, :) Dloh cierekim  01:31, 30 September 2007 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.