Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/History of the Church


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. The suggested moves and other changes all sound reasonable, but are left for post-AfD editorial discussion and action. RL0919 (talk) 02:42, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

History of the Church

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There is only one entry here which is an exact match for the title (History of the Church (Joseph Smith), the others are all either partial or incomplete title matches, there are other articles which seem just as inappropriate to list here (History of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, History of the Church of England etc.) -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 00:37, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 00:37, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Religion-related deletion discussions. -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 00:37, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Disambiguations-related deletion discussions. -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 00:37, 4 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Wikify to make it a disambiguation page linked from the Joseph Smith History of the Church page. That would eliminate any presumed confusion on the part of a reader entering this phrase and being directed to the Smith book when they wanted something else. -Markeer 01:57, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep: valid and useful dab page. Pam  D  08:48, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep This is a valid DAB page (all these articles could be referred to as "History of the Church"). However, the following should also be done for navigational clarity.
 * 1. Move this page to History of the Church (disambiguation).


 * 2. Move History of the Church (Joseph Smith) to this page.


 * 3. Replace the hatnotes on History of the Church (Joseph Smith) with the appropriate Template:About.


 * That should satisfy WP:DABNAME, WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, and WP:FURTHERDAB Qwaiiplayer (talk) 13:29, 4 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Comment - There are a number of denominations that in common speach or announced preference are referred to as 'the Church'. I was just working with a page that made repeated use of 'the fathers of the Church', implying early Christianity without specifying this was the intent, and the LDS officially designate 'the Church' as one of two preferred informal names for their denomination. As such, this seems a not-unlikely search term for people seeking different information and thus disambiguation is appropriate. It shouldn't turn into a listing of every religious history page, but appropriateness of individual entries is not a matter for RfD. I am ambivalent on a straight Keep verses the suggested Rename to (disambiguation) namespace and promotion of Smith book to the primary namespace. Agricolae (talk) 16:39, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep but restructure -- Sn AFD is not the right forum for discussing the correct structure of a very necessary dabpage. "Church" has a number of different contexts.  I would expect this to be a redirect to History of Christianity with an otheruses hatnote pointing to a dabpage for the other uses.  The LDS founder Joseph Smith's work is a minor aspect of the subject.  To me The Church means the Church Universal, i.e. all true Christians.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:55, 5 February 2022 (UTC)


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