Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/History of the Finnish Air Force from 1944-1960


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Can be draftified via WP:REFUND by anyone interested.  Sandstein  13:26, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

History of the Finnish Air Force from 1944-1960

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No indication of need for this article to exist; neither are there any other such articles for the Finnish Air Force. There is not even a "History of the Finnish Air Force" article. No sourcing present. Low-quality prose. Redirect not recommended as this article is an orphan. ♠Vami _IV†♠  19:16, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions.  ♠Vami  _IV†♠  19:16, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Aviation-related deletion discussions.  ♠Vami  _IV†♠  19:16, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Finland-related deletion discussions.  ♠Vami  _IV†♠  19:16, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 20:04, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment I wondered if this was a copyvio but it came up clean. It must have been put together based in something, but it’s not clear what. If anyone is willing to work on it, sending it to draft may be an option. Mccapra (talk) 21:24, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Draftify This should have been draftified immediately, rather than nominated for deletion. Scorpions13256 (talk) 04:09, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment not sure why this period is particularly notable. The page is entirely unreferenced and so should be draftified and referenced then either merged into Finnish Air Force or expanded into a separate History of the Finnish Air Force. Mztourist (talk) 07:45, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
 * The start date makes sense to me ("after Continuation War and Lapland War"), and I assume the end date was selected using the purchase of Mig-21s as the milestone. IIRC, before that the FAF was flying all kinds of weird stuff it could get as cheaply as possible. If a bunch of period articles for the FAF were to be created, this wouldn't be a bad title.-Ljleppan (talk) 09:25, 1 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Comment Given that there clearly are a lot of sources available based on the relevant fiWP article (fi:Suomen_ilmavoimien_historia), I'd be opposed to deletion. Draftifying sounds more reasonable, especially in light of how recently the article was created. -Ljleppan (talk) 09:32, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep but tag for improvement -- A large part of Finnish Air Force is on its history. This is on one section of history and this one follows a common WP pattern of having an overview article with more detailed "main" articles.  This article is of a standard that was common in the early days of WP, but needs properly referencing and a better lede.  I am not sure why the termination date of 1960 is chosen; in fact the text mentions 1966.  The start date is appropriate, as marking the end of the WWII period Finnish wars.  Draftifying is a possibility, but does not allow other editors to help improving it.  WP:DONOTBITE applies, as this article was created on 26 December, by its creator inserting 13kb of text, which he then spent a while tweeking.  Peterkingiron (talk) 14:07, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
 * The creator is an administrator with a 16 year-old account. – ♠Vami _IV†♠  14:29, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
 * The creator has created other articles without sources in the last few days, eg 15 cm haubits m/06, I think we could and should bite quite hard.GraemeLeggett (talk) 12:05, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Just as well admins are no longer autopatrolled then.Mccapra (talk) 00:15, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Draftify: This is a subject that is noteworthy. But this is not the article for it, and no sources persist. I suggest we build a page called History of the Finnish Air Force and then discuss the draft after it's done. Dunutubble (talk) 21:49, 1 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete or draft, just get it out of mainspace. Poor prose and lack of sourcing - the content is not wikipedia article quality. GraemeLeggett (talk) 11:24, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep but tag for improvement - as per Peterkingiron, there are space limits on how big a page should be (as Wikipedia is an encyclopedia)...so creating sub pages like this is normal and what we need to do. Deathlibrarian (talk) 08:17, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Draftify- This article is completely unsourced, the criteria for determining it's scope does not appear to have a basis in historiography (whatever logical deductions were might make, sources should support our choices), and its formatting and prose style are poor. Move it to draft space for reworking. -Indy beetle (talk) 08:49, 7 January 2022 (UTC)


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