Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/History of the Jews in Haiti (2nd nomination)


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The result was keep. I am closng it a few hours too early, but it arguably passes WP:SNOW.--Ymblanter (talk) 09:47, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

History of the Jews in Haiti
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An incredibly researched article which chronicles what ultimately sums up to be 25 members of a congregation in a country of 10 million or so. Clearly WP:UNDUE. The events and interaction of the congregation are not particularly notable. Jewish count not included in CIA factbook, and for good reason. WP:TRIVIA. If all congregations of 25 or more were counted in Haiti, there could be 10 thousand articles on each one. Multiplication of nn organizations is not desirable. So I don't get accused of anti-Semitism, articles on Judaism in Miami, New York, Israel (!), and many other places are highly desirable. I once worked on History of the Jews in Thessaloniki. Note that the latter consists of more than 25 members! In the meantime, I am trying to get rid of information about another tiny group which is, however, larger than this one! Student7 (talk) 15:24, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep. Sure, the article has some issues (neutrality in particular), but I think those issues can be settled by adding a few maintenance tags. Otherwise, the article is properly referenced, and the topic itself is fine. We have many articles titled something like "History of the Jews in (country)", so we can't say that the history of the Jews in a specific country isn't notable. Thus, I feel like this article really doesn't deserve deletion. (It's also worthy to note that there was a previous AfD on this article earlier this year, which essentially resulted in a snow keep.) -- Writing Enthusiast ( talk &#124;  contribs ) 15:41, 18 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Comment - Your deletion rationale is essentially unchanged from the one you posted the first time around, albeit with more words. Can you explained what in this topic area you feel has changed in the interim 8 months following that discussion that closed as a unanimous keep? Tarc (talk) 15:44, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Caribbean-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:06, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Judaism-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:06, 18 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep A group of even 25 people who have had a presence in a certain locality for over 500 years is very notable, especially if they also belong to a word religion and to a people with rich cultural traditions. Student7, your argument is not logical for an encyclopedia and is more likely to do harm than good. Debresser (talk) 19:40, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment - I'm a bit worried about the sources since this one seems to predominate and I doubt it is acceptable. Would be better to go for the actual sources this source cites. Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 21:33, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep The ample reliable and verifiable sources demonstrate the notability of an article about the centuries-long presence in the nation, and that's what matters. The nominator seems to obsess on the insubstantial size of the 2013 Jewish population in Haiti, which is just part of a history that dates back to the voyages of Columbus. The fact that the nominator is making a second nomination using the same excuse that was rebutted in the first comes of as a staggering abuse of process. I'd suggest closing this AfD immediately and recommend a walloping trout-slap for User:Student7. Alansohn (talk) 01:17, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep - Passes WP:N. Source examples include:
 * The Jewish Nation of the Caribbean. pp. 288-297
 * Jews and the Expansion of Europe to the West, 1400-1800. pp. 304-308
 * Rara!: Vodou, Power, and Performance in Haiti and Its Diaspora, Volume 1. pp. 131-133
 * Encyclopaedia Judaica, Volume 9. pp. 239-240
 * The Jerusalem Post
 * The Washington Post
 * The Jewish Daily Forward
 * Jewish Telegraphic Agency
 * – NorthAmerica1000 04:52, 19 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep as the nominator himself admits that this article has sufficient WP:V & WP:RS that makes it WP:N. The logic behind this nomination is also very faulty since this is not just about "25 or so live Jews on Haiti" now but about a much longer older history, see History of the Jews in Haiti and modern history History of the Jews in Haiti. Note, just because "dinosaurs" have been extinct for billions of years, does not mean we should delete encyclopedic articles about "extinct species" while in this case there are at least still 25+ living Jews in Haiti. Thank you, IZAK (talk) 22:36, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
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