Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hladno pivo


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The result was keep. with redirects (non-admin closure) &Alpha; Guy into Books &trade;  &sect; ( Message ) -  12:54, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

Hladno pivo

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Also nominating: Eleven years in, neither this band nor six of its seven albums with articles (two others have previously been deleted) has any kind of sourcing (the one sourced article of the bunch, Svijet glamura, has minimal sourcing, apparently to the band's own record company, and a regional newspaper). A cursory Google News search turns up nothing that appears to be from a reliable source. I propose deleting all of them. bd2412 T 03:36, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Džinovski
 * Desetka
 * Pobjeda (album)
 * Istočno od Gajnica
 * Šamar
 * Knjiga žalbe
 * Svijet glamura
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Croatia-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 03:48, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 03:48, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Speedy Keep. FFS, when did WP:BEFORE stop to be a policy? For problems that do not require deletion, including duplicate articles, articles needing improvement, pages needing redirects, or POV problems, be bold and fix the problem or tag the article appropriately... The minimum search expected is a normal Google search, a Google Books search, a Google News search. Even if you don't speak Croatian, simple Google search for "Croatian band Hladno pivo" would give you a myriad sources in English, such as, short paragraph in Lonely Planet, short paragraph in Guardian, Slate, Eurosonic Festival, or their being a pre-group for Green Day . "A cursory Google News search" provides about 10,800 hits, mostly in Serbo-Croatian (I grant, some do include references to "cold beer"), that include regional newspapers like Blic, Dan (newspaper), Glas Istre, Večernji list, Danas (newspaper), and Nezavisne Novine in first three pages. No such user (talk) 15:28, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
 * In the time you spent writing this "speedy keep" rationale, I think you could have vetted some of those sources, added them to the article (if they contain sufficient coverage), and posted a keep rationale based on the article being sourced. As it stands, I remain skeptical. Are these sources in-depth examinations to which the specific assertions in the article can be cited, or are they passing mentions? bd2412  T 15:47, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep the band article and merge album articles to Hladno pivo discography. The real question here is not whether Hladno pivo is a notable band or not (it is), but whether all these albums are individually notable or not per WP:NALBUM and other applicable guidelines. Here, the answer is well, just maybe: some of them clearly are (e.g. Porin Award-winning ones), the rest are doubtful in light of WP:NALBUM requirements. Since there is nothing much to say even about their eminently notable albums, I believe a discography article is the way to go, and I'm volunteering to do it. GregorB (talk) 11:30, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
 * As it stands, the "Porin Award-winning" assertion is also totally unsourced in the articles. bd2412  T 04:55, 9 September 2017 (UTC)
 * That's true. Hladno pivo also meets WP:NBAND #5 (Has released two or more albums on a major record label or on one of the more important indie labels), but that's unsourced too. The sourcing is surprisingly patchy... I'll see what I can do - at any rate, at least these major facts can and indeed should be sourced. GregorB (talk) 09:49, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  J 947(c) (m) 04:20, 9 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep the band article. Time out Croatia has this to say:
 * Hladno Pivo ('Cold Beer'), currently the most popular rock band in the country. With five studio albums in 12 years, Hladno Pivo are listened to by teenagers and thirtysomethings alike. Their simple, fast, loud and energetic tunes... link, which appears to be a dedicated entry.
 * I believe that "the most popular band" in a given country qualifies as a claim of significance. More sources are likely to exist in Croatian. "Redirect" the albums to the band. If someone wants to merge them to a discography article later, or source them individually, then great. For now, sourcing the main article would be the priority; the redirects for the albums work for now. K.e.coffman (talk) 08:35, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * In light of the foregoing, and improvements to the article, I withdraw my proposal to delete the article on the band, and agree with proposals to merge and redirect the album articles to a single discography page (or to the page on the band, if no one wants to bother merging up the discography). bd2412  T 13:59, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  J 947(c) (m) 01:05, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 05:35, 16 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep. We really need to be speedy closing these 'hasn't been well sourced for x years' nominations with no evidence of WP:BEFORE. Confirming notability from a GBooks search took about 10 seconds. --Michig (talk) 07:56, 16 September 2017 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.