Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hoa Nghiem


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The result was delete‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. Spartaz Humbug! 08:09, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

Hoa Nghiem

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Unless I'm missing something, I don't see how this article meets WP:NPROF or WP:GNG. Seem WP:TOOSOON at best. Kj cheetham (talk) 12:06, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Academics and educators, Women,  and Vietnam. Kj cheetham (talk) 12:06, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment. Does seem possibly a case of too early career. Top citations in GS are 41,37,31,21,19, and I don't believe it is a particularly low-citation field? No other criteria in WP:PROF are obviously met. Espresso Addict (talk) 04:19, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Leaning Keep after looking more carefully at the sources with GTranslate, especially the first source, a long profile from what I think is Tia Sáng magazine. The award, although early career, appears significant at a national level. Espresso Addict (talk) 06:16, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
 * is there any indication that she won the award that she was nominated for? This seems to indicate she didnt win. Usually being nominated for an award does not confer notability. --hroest 14:10, 19 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Comment.: I understand these concerns on notability, though would like to present some more contexts for reconsideration. One point on WP:NPROF: point 6 regarding holding an important position in a major research institution. Hoa Nghiem is the vice director of one such institute, though it is hard to determine what institution is major in the country, since there are only a handful of physics research institutions in Vietnam.
 * That is also the context in which this article is based: there is only a small number of physicists in Vietnam and even fewer woman physicists. It is even more unusual for one such person to hold any major position in a research institution. Look up any Vietnamese physicist residing in Vietnam at the moment and you might realize there are very few independent sources written about them, no matter how prominent in the circle within the country. That is why Hoa Nghiem's achievements and media attention, though seemingly meager compared to the standard Wikipedia biography, are notable, given her background and the academic circle she belongs to. This is why I believe the judgement of notability, given this context, should be of a different standard.
 * I do agree, though, that this article will be of interest to few readers outside of Vietnam, a relevant consideration given that the article is written in English. I am split as to whether this constitutes the reason why this article should exist. Thidhoang (talk) 05:22, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
 * It's very difficult in such cases. The citations might be acceptably high for work not published in English? We don't usually count second-in-command positions, even in very major institutions (though perhaps we should). Perhaps someone more expert in this area could comment. Espresso Addict (talk) 05:30, 17 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Keep: Unusual success including a prized award for a women physicist in Vietman.--Ipigott (talk) 06:45, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
 * is there any indication that she won the award that she was nominated for? This seems to indicate she didnt win. Usually being nominated for an award does not confer notability. --hroest 14:10, 19 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete. Based on her citation profile, she does not pass NPROF#1 with an h-index of 7 and there is no indication she actually won the prize that Ipigott mentioned as a reason for their vote. This seems to indicate she didnt win, the three winners were Pham Duc Chinh, Nguyen Le Khanh Hang and Le Trong Lu. Furthermore, I dont think she could be notable under NPROF#6 as per criterion an important position in a major research institution which is not fulfilled here either, the institute she works at hardly classifies as a major institution for international research and her position is vice-director. This is clearly a case of WP:TOOEARLY, she just started her group in 2017 and is likely an assistant professor (or would be in the Western career progression); assistant profs which are only notable for WP under exceptional circumstances. --hroest 14:10, 19 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete per hroest's analysis. Note that she doesn't have an entry in the Vietnamese Wikipedia, one of the biggest Wikipedias (>1 million articles). That's not a requirement for inclusion here, but it is telling.
 * -- A. B. (talk • contribs • global count) 15:50, 19 October 2023 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.