Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hoang Danh Ngoc


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The result was   no consensus. Stifle (talk) 14:34, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

Hoang Danh Ngoc

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Recreation of an article previously deleted by PROD. Concern was ''Article about a footballer who fails WP:GNG and who has not played in a fully pro league. Appearance in national team is not confirmed by reliable sources.'' This remains more or less valid. The only coverage he's received are the usual player profiles, which WP:NSPORT explicitly states are trivial sources, making them insufficient for WP:GNG. He has still only ever played in the Vietnamese top flight, which is confirmed as not fully pro. His international appearances are no longer asserted and confirmed not to have taken place. He has been called up to the Vietnamese national team, but since he has yet to play, the article still fails WP:NFOOTBALL. Sir Sputnik (talk) 19:01, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
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 * Delete - fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. GiantSnowman 14:50, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
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 * Comment - fails WP:NFOOTBALL as he has not played in a fully professional league (per WP:FPL) or represented his country at senior level. There seem to be a few name-checks in google searches for sites in Vietnamese but not being able to understand Vietnamese, or the Google translations thereof, I would like to get the opinion of a Vietnamese-speaker in this regard. Hack (talk) 16:49, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
 * User:Hack well there's a lot of newspaper articles mentioning him and a few focussing on him so passes WP:GNG. He has his own vi.wp article, has played for the U23 against Myanmar so is a hope for the national squad. In ictu oculi (talk) 09:20, 4 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep - should be at Hoàng Danh Ngọc, passes WP:GNG but newspaper articles in Vietnamese not English. In ictu oculi (talk) 09:22, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 20:30, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

 
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, L Faraone  01:11, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

 Can we have links or references to the articles? And, IIO, are you familiar with the footballer notability guidelines, because they are clear-cut. Are you arguing that the sources definitely indicate he meets our criteria? Thanks. Itsmejudith (talk) 16:53, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
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