Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hochschule für Musik Mainz


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The result was withdrawn. (non-admin closure) Shawn in Montreal (talk) 23:33, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

Hochschule für Musik Mainz

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Only primary sources. The German-language article has none. Google search provides none. Most are database entries. I was hoping for info at links like http://www.fsjkultur-rlp.de/einsatzstellen/hochschule-fur-musik-mainz/ and http://musik-studium.info/institutionen/hochschule-fuer-musik-mainz/ but nothing to support notability. Fails WP:GNG and WP:GROUP Walter Görlitz (talk) 15:05, 2 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep: This is a Musikhochschule, a German state-run public university, as the institutions in Hannover and Munich, among others. Their primary information is credible. Sadly, German articles often don't come with sources. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:15, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Interesting. So it should be kept because it's a public school in Germany? The school in Hanover has reliable sources. The one in Munich does not. Also, don't support the need for this article because there are already similar articles on this project. We can have the same discussion for either if needed. Could it be that the German project's article has no sources because there are none? I tried to find notability criteria for public schools but could not. But there is a note at WP:N that "articles on schools may be merged into articles on the towns or regions where schools are located". Walter Görlitz (talk) 15:32, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 16:10, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 16:10, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 16:10, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
 * A Hochschule is not a school but a university. Please inform accordingly. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:44, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
 * My apologies. Rewording: So it should be kept because it's a public post-secondary school in Germany Walter Görlitz (talk) 16:55, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes. One of the two links you provided offers work there, not exactly what we need. The other one is used, and the German Information Center (MIZ), and the site of the state that runs it as its only music university. De facto notable sounds good to me. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:54, 2 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep (if I may say so as an unregistered user):
 * There is absolutely no question about notability: "In general, all colleges and universities are de facto notable and should be included on Wikipedia." (WP:UNIGUIDE).
 * Reliable sources need to be provided of course, and the German article does in fact have the same problem. --93.212.229.181 (talk) 16:56, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Of course you may voice an opinion, and thank you for pointing to the guideline. WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES states that "Most independently accredited degree-awarding institutions and high schools have historically been kept except when zero independent sources can be found to prove that the institution actually exists." I can't quite tell if they exist. The entries I saw in my Google search do not support independence. If one, or ideally two, can be found I will gladly withdraw my nomination. Walter Görlitz (talk) 17:10, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Independent proof of existence, now that should be easy:
 * Website of the city of Mainz, state capital of Rhineland-Palatinate
 * Hochschulgesetz Rheinland-Pfalz (legislative framework for universities in the state of Rhineland-Palatinate)
 * Is that good enough for starters? --93.212.229.181 (talk) 20:21, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Both are in the article. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:23, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Wow, you really did some work there. @Walter Görlitz, would that be o.k. for you now? --93.212.229.181 (talk) 21:40, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
 * It appears that http://www.lmr-rlp.de is independent and somewhat reliable. Sure, I withdraw my request. Walter Görlitz (talk) 23:00, 2 May 2017 (UTC)


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