Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hoffman L. Fuller


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. No consensus to delete, leaning towards keep. Nakon 03:12, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Hoffman L. Fuller

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Only claim to fame is being the mayor of a town of less than 100k people; doesn't come close to meeting WP:NPOL. Prod was disputed by creator. OhNo itsJamie Talk 00:46, 10 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment Ohnoitsjamie sought to kill six Bossier City mayor articles in a period of eight minutes on Feb. 10. He moved against George Nattin at .52, against Lo Walker at .51; against Jake W. Cameron at .47, at Marvin Anding at .49, at Hoffman fuller at .46, and Burgess McCranie at .44. I suppose this means 12:52 a.m. for Mr. Nattin but am not sure, maybe 12:52 p.m. How could he read and analyze six revised articles in eight minutes? Billy Hathorn (talk) 19:52, 12 February 2015 (UTC)


 * delete non-notable local politician per WP:POLITICIAN Deunanknute (talk) 01:52, 10 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment approximately an hour after the nominations for deletion by ohnoitsjamie, User:Deunanknute posted the line: delete non-notable local politician per WP:POLITICIAN. Several of those "delete" statements were made in the same minute of time. Billy Hathorn (talk) 20:01, 12 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Even his Shreveport Times obituary (secondhand through Findagrave) says nothing about any achievements; it only talks about the funeral arrangements. Clarityfiend (talk) 23:10, 10 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep The notability rules say nothing about mayors or the size of their cities. Portland, Maine, has a population 5,000 larger than Bossier City, but it has 24 mayors all deemed notable with their own Wikipedia articles. There are ten articles on Bossier City mayors, all but two recently submitted.

Bangor, Maine, a city about half the size of Bossier City, has eight mayors on Wikipedia and twelve city council members. Many times city council members are excluded from Wikipedia unless they have held other offices. There are no articles on Bossier City Council members.

Here is a listing of certain cities, followed by population, and number of mayoral Wikipedia articles:
 * Scranton, Pennsylvania, 76,000, 6
 * Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, 50,000, 6
 * Burlington, Vermont, 42,000, 6
 * Augusta, Maine, 19,000, 7
 * New London, Connecticut, 28,000, 5
 * Terre Haute, Indiana, 61,000, 4
 * Wasilla, Alaska, 8,000, 5
 * Hoboken, New Jersey, 50,000, 23
 * Juneau, Alaska, 31,000, 18
 * Key West, Florida, 25,000, 8
 * Medford, Oregon, 56,000, 12
 * Norwalk, Connecticut, 85,600, 87
 * East Orange, New Jersey, 64,000, 6
 * Taunton, Massachusetts, 56,000, 13
 * Wilmington, Delaware, 70,000, 10
 * Santa Fe, New Mexico, 70,000, 10
 * Ashland, Kentucky, 22,000, 27
 * Melbourne, Florida, 76,000, 33
 * Fairbanks, Alaska, 32,000, 7
 * Missoula, Montana, 66,000, 16
 * Lancaster, Pennsylvania, 59,000, 41

So Bossier City, Louisiana, 61,000 10 is consistent with the above listing.

Mr. Hoffman left office in 1953. All these Bossier City mayors should be considered notable, even if more material on them would be desirable though not yet located. Billy Hathorn (talk) 04:43, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
 * comment - Wikipedia also says notability is not determined by similar articles. See WP:WHATABOUTX.
 * Comment If you look closely at the articles about the mayors from those towns, you'll see that most of them went on to do more notable things (i.e., become a governor or member of congress). OhNo itsJamie  Talk 15:39, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Louisiana-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:15, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:16, 11 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep - WP:POLOUTCOMES notes that "Mayors of cities of at least regional prominence have usually survived AFD, although the article should say more than just 'Jane Doe is the mayor of Cityville'." This referenced article about a mayor of a city of regional prominence does say more than that. 24.151.10.165 (talk) 18:35, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
 * comment- is Bossier City, Louisiana regionally prominent? And again, how is this person notable? Deunanknute (talk) 18:54, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

In Hoboken, New Jersey, smaller than Bossier City, seventeen of 22 mayors with Wikipedia articles served in no higher office; a few had been on the city council before becoming mayors. Five others also held other offices, mostly in the legislature. There is nothing in the Wikipedia rules about mayors and population of their cities. The citing of a 60,000 population is not there at all. Billy Hathorn (talk) 19:39, 11 February 2015 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
 * Note. Mr. Hoffman is an historical figure in Bossier City. He left office forty years before Internet was even beginning; there are no other sources I can find for his article.
 * comment These articles were probably all nominated at the same time for the same reason I've been commenting at the same time; for a group of very similar articles, it's sometimes easier to research them together. Also, please only add comments to the end of a discussion. Deunanknute (talk) 23:05, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete Bossier City is neither populous enough nor regionally significant enough for the mayor to be notable for such. Other stuff exists is a bad and non-workable argument.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:32, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep He meets the GNG based on the sources. It doesn't matter that he does not have inherent notability based on the number of people that live in his city. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 16:39, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, N ORTH A MERICA 1000 14:25, 18 February 2015 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
 * Keep. With all respect to the good faith of every participant here, I sense a tendency to equate "city of regional importance" with "city I've heard of". From the standpoint of Wikipedians based in East and West Coast urban centers, or outside the USA, Louisiana occupies little mind space, and "Bossier City" is a ridiculous-sounding name. To those unfamiliar with the region, it doesn't evoke a city larger than (say) Harrisburg, Pennsylvania (which it is).  We should pay attention to the population numbers and avoid jumping to an impressionistic conclusion. Kestenbaum (talk) 18:43, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, N ORTH A MERICA 1000 17:19, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete He is NOT notable per WP:POLITICIAN, since he was not mayor of a city of regional prominence; Bossier City isn't even the parish seat. And population numbers are irrelevant; despite assertions that 50,000 or 100,000 or whatever population makes a mayor automatically notable, no such number has ever achieved consensus. It doesn't matter if some other mayors of some other cities have articles; WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is not a valid argument. He also fails WP:GNG for lack of significant coverage; the listed sources are mostly a name-check saying that he was mayor. Ironically, his son Hoffman L. Fuller Jr., a law professor, might be notable - but he is not. --MelanieN (talk) 02:20, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
 * P.S. I would also be OK with Richard Arthur Norton's suggestion (above) of a redirect to the city article (which surprisingly does not have a list of its former mayors, which leaves me wondering - if the mayors are so all-fired important, how come nobody ever bothered to add them to the city article?). --MelanieN (talk) 03:05, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment. Bossier City mayors are in a template at the bottom of the Bossier City Wikipedia article. Billy Hathorn (talk) 19:55, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
 * OK, good. Then a redirect to the city page, in place of a deletion, could be appropriate. --MelanieN (talk) 15:41, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.