Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Holiday Reinhorn


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus.  Sandstein  16:04, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Holiday Reinhorn

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Fails WP:AUTHOR Serv181920 (talk) 14:00, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
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 * Comment, found some reviews for Reinhorn's book Big Cats ie. Kirkus - here, Publishers Weekly - here, Post Magazine - here, The Seattle Times - here, (and it was a Powell's City of Books bestseller - see here), so it meets WP:NBOOK and is entitled to a wikiarticle, but whether there is enough for a separate wikiarticle on the author is another thing. Coolabahapple (talk) 03:34, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Move page to Big Cats (Reinhorn book). I added some sources, including a Good Housekeeping article. I echo Coolabahapple in that the book has it. Seems author does not. A move and rewrite to Big Cats would be appropriate, as it is certainly notable. --DiamondRemley39 (talk) 12:25, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 09:05, 30 November 2020 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   22:05, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment per WP:ARTIST "created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work" would imply that if the work is notable the author is notable. So I don't think the move argument works, but it does imply keep.
 * Keep Due to the relationship (married to Rainn Wilson) it is hard to judge the subjects notability separately, I searched "Holiday Reinhorn Big Cats" -wikipedia and found a number of hits. I think this is borderline case, and in my opinion, it is on the keep side. Jeepday (talk) 18:42, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
 * , How is someone notable "Due to the relationship" with a notable person?Serv181920 (talk) 09:27, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
 * As the spouse of a notable person, they are often named in references. Same goes for other family members. "relatives of a famous person may be merged into the article on the person; articles on persons only notable for being associated with a certain group or event may be merged into the main article on that group or event." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability#cite_note-7 if the spouse is also notable but less so, it can be difficult to sort through the references to find the ones the support the notability of the less notable spouse or family member (but still notable on their own).  Jeepday (talk) 13:42, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
 * WP:BIOFAMILY "Being related to a notable person in itself confers no degree of notability upon that person. Articles about notable people that mention their family members in passing do not, in themselves, show that a family member is notable." My keep vote is because I believe the subject is notable on her own. Jeepday (talk) 13:48, 14 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep Good discussion above - and I am in support of Jeepday in terms on notability on her own. Sourcing is also fine in my mind.--Concertmusic (talk) 21:26, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Move to Big Cats (Reinhorn book). - please remember that notability is not inherited. Not enough in-depth coverage about her alone to warrant a standalone article.  Onel 5969  TT me 23:37, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment - additionally, being the author of a work which passes WP notability criteria is not the same as being the author of a significant or well-known work. I am however, modifying my !vote above as per Coolabahapple's comment.  Onel 5969  TT me 23:41, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Missvain (talk) 01:31, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep: The subject is notable on their own merits and achievements, which are described in the article by multiple sources.Road to Oblivion (talk) 19:48, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep - Notable author as indicated by the multiple reviews of her work and best-selling evidence above. Sometimes WP:BIOFAMILY is misused to imply it disqualifies notable people just because they're related to a more well-known person. It doesn't. Oakshade (talk) 08:28, 21 December 2020 (UTC)


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