Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Holloway Beach, Queensland


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to Holloways Beach, Queensland.  Sandstein  19:36, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

Holloway Beach, Queensland

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Holloway Beach, Queensland, as in opposite to Holloways Beach, Queensland is a non-existing entity. It exist solely as a probably orphaned entry in the Queensland place names search database. A primary examination yields, that the relevant parts of the database entries for Holloway Beach, the so-called town, and Holloways Beach, the suburb, are practically identical:

For Holloway Beach:
 * "Town originally named as Holloway by Surveyor-General 16 April 1951. Name changed to Holloway Beach by Queensland Place Names Board, effective from 1 April 1971."

For Holloways Beach:
 * "Original township was named Holloway by Surveyor-General 16 April 1951. Re-named as Holloway Beach by Queensland Place Names Board on 1 April 1971."

The Holloway entry ends thus, while the Holloways entry continues. It is improbable that different entities with identical histories would have been subject to the same name change on the same day.

Further to that, the name "Holloway Beach" for all practical intents and purposes does not exist. In searches it is unfindable in documents referring to it as a current entity any time after 1981, the year when it was "named and bounded as the locality of Holloways Beach".

Secondly, on location it is unknown: there are no signs or anything else that would point to anything like "Holloway Beach", let alone a town of that name, which alone would beg the question of any relevance.

The conclusion can only be, that this place - Holloway Beach - only exists as a database entry without any practical relevance, probably an orphan, a remainder of a double entry or something to that extent. The vague geo-co-ordinates associated with the database entry also do not provide any help in determining any practical existence of any entity named "Holloway Beach" today.

In well considered conclusion I therefore can only recommend the deletion of the "Holloway Beach" article. This even more so, as the article does not contain any relevant information that is not provided in the "Holloways Beach" article. Oalexander (talk) 18:06, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Articles for deletion/Log/2023 March 3.  —cyberbot I   Talk to my owner :Online 18:07, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Geography and Australia. Shellwood (talk) 18:09, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge: As someone who writes content about Queensland geography and knows how to interpret the Queensland Place Names database, many Queensland places are officially designated as both towns and localities/suburbs in Queensland. It is very common and it is not a case of needing to be forced to be "one or the other". This is just one example with the slight oddity here is that the two have slightly different names, which is presumably why there are two Wikipedia articles. The town most certainly exists (aerial views shows a urban area) and the database entry is not an orphan or some other database error. I had correspondence with the Qld Govt geospatial team in October 2022 about updates in relation to that particular town entry, which is now sitting as a work order CSREF-877 waiting to be implemented, so clearly the Qld Govt don't share this view that it's some kind of database anomaly. However, from a Wikipedia perspective, we don't need two articles, so merging the town article into the Holloways Beach, Queensland would be a reasonable way forward. Kerry (talk) 21:13, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I am not sure if there is anything to merge. It is an article based on a questionable database entry ("slight Oddity"). And then there are arguments like "I know how to interpret". And the Queensland government will look into it. All that about something what in real life is not detectable.
 * "which is presumably why there are two Wikipedia articles." - That's because you created one of them.
 * Oalexander (talk) 16:38, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Redirect. Previous name for Halloways Beach. Seems like it will be a common search term. Doctorhawkes (talk) 02:39, 4 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Merge seems to be the same place or at least that the distinction between them isn't sensible even if they are different.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 18:06, 4 March 2023 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.