Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Holly Liu


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The result was Keep (non-admin closure) Iffy★Chat -- 12:18, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

Holly Liu

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Created by a blocked sockpuppet, supported by the usual mix of low quality and/or non-independent sources.

The subject's claim to fame appears to be having founded the company Kabam, so redirecting the article there would be a reasonable course of action. Per the available coverage, her other achievements are not sufficient to justify a standalone article. Rentier (talk) 08:33, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
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Comment - I see three reasonably good sources (VentureBeat and the two Forbes articles), that seem independent. The rest seem pretty poor. Though, with these existing, it can't be too far from notability. Having been created by a sockpuppet makes no difference for an article meeting WP:GNG  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 10:05, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
 * True, I only mentioned it to invite extra scrutiny. For example, the Forbes articles come from their contribution network, which lacks editorial oversight and is worthless for establishing notability. This is explicitly stated in Wikipedia's guidelines for corporate notability and the same principle applies here. Rentier (talk) 14:49, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

KEEP. Though not terribly notable, she meets the criteria, even if barely. Besides what has been already mentioned: an interview/chapter dedicated to her in the Female Innovators at Work: Women on Top of Tech, and high coverage in journals like Animation Magazine. Caballero / Historiador⎌ 11:00, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Both sources (one is an interview) discuss the subject in the context of the company Kabam. I see this as a clear case of WP:SINGLEEVENT and the place to discuss Liu's contribution is in the article about the company. Rentier (talk) 15:44, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 11:17, 8 October 2018 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 03:22, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
 * keep sources look okay. GH award says a lot IMO.  Between all that I'd say we are above any reasonable definition of notability. Hobit (talk) 02:17, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Just to be clear, while the award is a clear indication of notability, the bio that goes with it is nearly an ideal source.  You'd best believe an award like that was vetted carefully. Hobit (talk) 02:19, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep. The refs are fine. Forbes and inc.Szzuk (talk) 18:27, 22 October 2018 (UTC)


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