Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Holly Ryder


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. (non-admin closure) Armbrust The Homunculus 09:55, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

Holly Ryder

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Fails PORNBIO and GNG. Cited book is not reliable since AuthorHouse is a print on demand publisher. Morbidthoughts (talk) 02:09, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete - No real signs of notability here. Titanium Dragon (talk) 05:04, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete as fails PORNBIO. – Davey 2010 •  (talk)  14:35, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep per sources added and per comments below. – Davey 2010 •  (talk)  19:32, 14 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete Does not meet PORNBIO. Cowlibob (talk) 16:07, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Change to Keep as per the excellent source work found by the user below. Cowlibob (talk) 14:42, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been added to the WikiProject Pornography list of deletions. Finnegas (talk) 14:59, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 17:16, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 17:16, 6 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Strong keep and speedy close. Under her legal name, Lisa Marie Abato," "Ryder" was one of the best-known anti-porn activists in the U.S. Abato and her activities were covered in major media outlets like the Chicago Tribune and the Los Angeles Times, commented on in The New York Times, discussed in the State Bar of California's official journal, and cited in social science books . Newsbank search also turns up coverage in, inter alia, the San Francisco Examiner, the Cleveland Plain Dealer, the Washington Times, the Boston Herald, the Tampa Tribune, the Sacramento Bee and others. Not notable as a porn performer, but clears the GNG by a significant margin. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo) (talk) 22:53, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment - The citations you list stem from her 1994 California ballot initiative to ban pornography as a former pornographer. She's an anti porn-activist BLP1E. Morbidthoughts (talk) 19:26, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment. If she is notable as anti-porn activist Lisa Marie Abato and not as porn star Holly Ryder as HW stated, then if kept, her article should probably be renamed to Lisa Marie Abato the same way that Shelley Lubben's article is named Shelley Lubben, not Roxy (pornographic actress). Rebecca1990 (talk) 03:37, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment Completely agree with Rebecca. Rename the article if she is only deemed notable for activities using her real name. 209.90.140.72 (talk) 03:38, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Support Rebecca1990's amendment of changing the article name after closure. Cowlibob (talk) 17:16, 11 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Natg 19 (talk) 22:21, 15 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep and Move to Lisa Marie Abato (which currently redirects to Holly Ryder. She may not satisfy WP:PORNBIO, but she meets WP:GNG for her subsequent anti-porn activism, as indicated by sources cited above.  I further agree with Rebecaa's suggestion that, as Ms. Abato is most notable for her anti-porn activism under her given name, the article should reside there.-- danntm T C 22:36, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz has demonstarted that as a anti porn activist she passes the WP:GNG. Agree with Rebecca1990's suggestion to change the name of the article to Lisa Marie Abato.
 * Keep as the article has substantially changed since the original nomination, I do not believe the original claims by the nominator still hold. Yamaguchi先生 (talk) 17:10, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.