Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hollywood (programming language)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. The added sources appear to meet notability concerns. Shimeru (talk) 00:01, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Hollywood (programming language)

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This article is not encyclopedic. The product this article advertises is not well known and is not of any significance in the field it targets. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Koft (talk • contribs) 20:22, 23 May 2010


 * Hollywood is a massive program and very popular program on all Amiga platforms (and there are many). I don't understand why it should be removed. -- Matthias H. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.246.148.131 (talk) 22:04, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

Keep. 23-may-2010, Elwood:

I disagree because:


 * I don't see anything wrong with this information. Remember that:

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 * The information isn't the issue, the issue is that this is non-notable.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Koft (talk • contribs) 21:10, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

An encyclopedia (also spelled encyclopaedia or encyclopædia) is a comprehensive written compendium that holds information from either all branches of knowledge or a particular branch of knowledge.

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 * As a programming language, Hollywood have the same rights as these:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scala_(programming_language)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visual_basic

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.net

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMOS_(programming_language) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.215.145.134 (talk) 22:02, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

End, 23-may-2010, Elwood —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.80.148.37 (talk) 20:03, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
 * it doesn't because people know what those products are. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Koft (talk • contribs) 21:04, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

This article is an advertisement for a product, see http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=5442

"Hollywood now has its own entry at Wikipedia, the world's most popular encyclopedia. Here is the link so you can check it out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood (programming language). The article provides a good overview of what Hollywood can do, what platforms it supports, and a short history of the program. There is also a dedicated section about the popular Hollywood Designer add-on, which allows the easy creation of presentations and multimedia applications using a convenient GUI. Finally, I'd like to inform interested customers from overseas that the Euro is currently pretty weak in comparison to the US dollar, so for everyone who is thinking about purchasing Hollywood, now might be a good time to order." Koft (talk) 21:23, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

I use it daily and dont know whats the problem with that wikipedia entry... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tuxedo75 (talk • contribs) 21:45, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep : I disagree with the deletion because Hollywood was a great language!


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Computing-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 23:41, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete: I can't find significant coverage for this programming language. Joe Chill (talk) 23:47, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete per Joe Chill. The issue we are discussing here is not whether Hollywood is a good or bad programming language. What we are discussing is whether it is a notable programming language. That is, have articles and/or books been published about it by persons who didn't create it or have a financial stake in the programming language? The articles Scala (programming language) and Visual Basic appear to have such independent sources cited showing notability of those languages. Maybe there are such sources about Hollywood too, but they need to be cited in order for participants here in this discussion to know that they exist. And if anyone can find such sources but doesn't know how to add them to the article, they can cite them here in this discussion which could at least confirm the existence of the sources (if they are relevant and useful). If such sources are provided, I may reconsider my recommendation. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 23:59, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
 * In recognition of the fact that multiple sources have been added to the article, I have withdrawn my "delete" recommendation and am now neutral. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 15:42, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete: Language is an embedded lang for a specific product that's virtually unknown. No references I can find have been written about it. Koft (talk) 03:35, 24 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Perhaps Hollywood is not yet notable enough for its own article. However, the article Amiga software needs a major overhaul to bring it up to date with recent developments. If it is deemed insufficiently notable, this Hollywood article should be condensed and merged with the broader Amiga software article, as Hollywood is certainly a major example of new Amiga software, and much-used within the Amiga community despite its lack of notability in the wider world. 188.74.93.216 (talk) 01:05, 24 May 2010 (UTC)


 * As it currently stands this page is nothing more than advertisement for the program. Thumb down.131.207.242.5 (talk) 07:41, 24 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Adding references and sources is not a problem. There have been many articles and tutorials covering Hollywood in magazines over the last 5 years. I just need to sort them out and will add references then. Also, it is worth noting that Hollywood is widely used by dentists in Norway as an interactive info channel and also for education. Cf. here: http://www.ferrule-media.no --> The info channel sold by this Norwegian company is realized using Hollywood technology —Preceding unsigned comment added by Softwarefailure (talk • contribs) 09:05, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep - I think it meets the general notability guideline (based on a few minutes of Googling) as other similar articles, and Hollywood is "well known" withing Amiga circles. The only (or major) issue I think it has, is that it doesn't cite any references but that could be fixed over time. Marko75 (talk) 14:09, 24 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep - I have read the article twice and I must admit that I can't see any problems related to it - at least to me the article is both well written and informative. The article is also neutral and fair to the products in question. In fact Hollywood as a language should indeed be mentioned alongside Amos, Visual Basics and others.

I see one person also mentions that Hollywood / Designer as a softwarepackage is not "important" enough to have its own page on Wikipedia. I'm a bit surprised to read such statement. I am the CEO of Ferrule Media, one company wich uses Hollywood / Hollywood Designer to develop commercial software used in the Norwegian schools and in dentistry / medical world. We have used Hollywood to develop for several year already, both in our Norwegian and Danish office.

The Hollywood/Designer-bundle is one of the most important software-packages available on the modern Amiga, and is well known among the Amiga community.

Best regards

Torgeir Vee,

CEO, Ferrule Media,

www.ferrule-media.no —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.109.184.154 (talk) 21:00, 24 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep - Hollywood is even more powerfull than Latex's beamer class

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beamer_(LaTeX)

or can be at least used in the same way, as shown in this very, very basic example presentation:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klY2VIFFCAU

Hollywood is a real cross platform multimedia language and the most important one on AmigaOS. As "Beamer" and especially, "Scala" (as mentioned above) are valid entries in wikipedia, for sure, this should be true for Hollywood, too.

I personally use Hollywood for presentations given at the Max-Planck Institute for Computer Science. I'm working there (see: http://www.mpi-inf.mpg.de/~tcrecel/) and Hollywood is very much appreciated!

regards,

Tom Crecelius —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.66.109.66 (talk) 17:54, 25 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep - It's notable in the Amiga world. 75.189.213.49 (talk) 23:08, 25 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep - This product plays an important role for the small but active amiga community. It's a symbol of unity in a broken amiga history ... the many different systems supported give a good way to produce software without adding to the ongoing battle of succession. In its role I think it earnes a place here and in every wiki. Rilgamon (talk) 10:30, 26 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep. The article is informative and factual as far as I can see. It is used by educators in certain small countries. Is the desire to delete it driven by big multi-national companies protecting inferior products? David White-DreamVision Media — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.252.18.166 (talk • contribs) 04:44, 26 May 2010
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