Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Holocaust in Russia


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The result was   keep. (non-admin closure) Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:11, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Holocaust in Russia

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Reason 1. This article is compilation of some parts of other articles ( History_of_the_Jews_in_Russia, History_of_the_Jews_in_Russia and History_of_Russia), copied and pasted without significant changes.

2. Splitting description of European-scale event (Holocaust) into many articles by national or subnational borders will be confusing for the reader. DonaldDuck (talk) 17:48, 24 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep and Clean It seems significant enough to have its own article, but should be cleaned. Vasant56 (talk) 18:41, 24 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment (leaning to redirect). Category:The Holocaust in Russia probably belongs to this DR too. Right now it's a topic without content. Does it justify an article of its own? yes. Does the article separate events on the occupied territories of present-day Russia from the broader take at the occupied Soviet Union - no. This separation appears to be a futile exercise. Many Soviet Jews still lived in the former pale of settlement (present-day Belarus and Ukraine), they perished there or further westward in the camps. The article, incidentally, carefully omits any geographical references apart from Saint Petersburg (irrelevant in this context) and Sobibor (Poland). NVO (talk) 18:52, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
 * If kept, the article should be renamed into Holocaust in occupied territories of USSR, it will solve the geographical separation problem. Present name of the article resembles "Polish death camps".DonaldDuck (talk) 02:39, 25 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Redirect to History of the Jews in Russia. Capitalistroadster (talk) 19:38, 24 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep and expand. Probably retitle & add material as Holocaust in USSR, because that is what it was at the time, and it will meet NVO's objections.  This seems a good way to  do this; the other sections can now be reduced per WP:Summary style., There is certainly enough literature. More generally, there are numerous book-length discussion of the Holocaust on a coutnry-by country basis, so this is highly appropriate as a way of treating the subject. See Black Book (World War II) which I know by the English translations titled Black Book of Russian Jewry or Black Book of Soviet Jewry DGG (talk) 21:32, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep, this article is notable enough to deserve its own page.Smallman12q (talk) 22:03, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
 * The problem with this article is not notability of the topic but the quality of the article itself. Right now it contains mostly text copypasted from other articles.DonaldDuck (talk) 02:13, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep riots that kill dozens are notable; this killed millions clearly is notable. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 23:38, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep The article's subject matter warrants standalone status. Pastor Theo (talk) 00:52, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * The subject matter itself "Holocaust in Russia" is problematic, because German-occupied territory inside present Russian borders was smaller part of total German-occupied territory of USSR. And this "by country" approach is even more absurd, considering that most Holocaust survivors in Europe, survived by fleeing from western parts of USSR (or eastern parts of Poland) to the east, across the borders.DonaldDuck (talk) 02:30, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep, DonaldDuck has a long history of whitewashing Russia-related articles by removing manifestations of antisemitic activities.--Galassi (talk) 15:45, 25 February 2009 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.