Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Holy Cross High School (River Grove)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was keep. John254 01:54, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Holy Cross High School (River Grove)

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A high school that doesn't exist anymore and therefor surely has lost all of the little notability it once might have had. Poeloq (talk) 15:10, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Weak De;ete - there are some sources which prove the existence, but without the sourcing of the supposed notability, I'm afraid it's a delete from me. &mdash; Rudget speak.work 17:36, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep - After reviewing the comment below and the updated page, I believe a keep is in order. &mdash; Rudget  Talk  18:51, 11 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep Adequate reliable and verifiable sources exist about the school and its closure and alumni to satisfy the Notability standard. Only old soldiers fade away; notability is permanent. Alansohn (talk) 18:19, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep Merge/redir, per below disclosing (heh) the bias that I attended 12 years of Catholic school in Chicago, I note Quigley_South as an example of a strong article about a defunct Catholic high school in Chicago. The fact that it was closed down due to lack of funding makes it more notable, not less (in this case). --- tqbf  21:37, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep, there's plenty of material available in the Chicago Tribune archives. Nothing loses notability. Zagalejo^^^ 22:14, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge and Redirect - with regret, I'm not sure there will be enough for an article here. This article should be appropriately merged with the school it was merged into: Guerin College Preparatory High School. Keep per the hard workin' Zagalejo LonelyBeacon (talk) 19:06, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Seems hard to object to this. Thanks for doing more research than me. --- tqbf  03:46, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, wait a minute, now. I'm getting about 280 hits for "Holy Cross High School" + "River Grove" at the Tribune archives. And that's just one paper, using one search string. I'm sure someone could expand this article with a little effort. Of course, a merge isn't necessarily a bad idea for the time being, but this does have the potential to be a decent, independent article. Zagalejo^^^ 04:20, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I did that search, and while there were a lot of articles, they were mostly about athletics (particularly one running back at Northern Illinois University), or the closing of the school. Many of the rest were alumni-type sites.  I hope I'm wrong, but I'm just not seeing the resources to construct a much bigger article than there is. LonelyBeacon (talk) 04:38, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Did you look at the historical PDF archives, too? (Via Proquest?) I have access to them, and I think at least some of those articles provide encylcopedic information. (For example, there's one from the 1960s saying that enrollment was up to 1,556 students). Zagalejo^^^ 05:17, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I do. Which article are you referring to? I agree with LonelyBeacon; nothing I come up with is notable enough to keep Holy Cross from being a subsection or theme of Gurin. (LonelyBeacon, if you have a library card, you probably have ProQuest online for Chicago papers). --- tqbf  05:46, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
 * "Enrollment up at Holy Cross". September 19, 1965. Not long, but we could milk a sentence or two out of that.
 * There are other articles that seem worthwhile, though. "Holy Cross School to Construct Facility" (May 1, 1969) has a decent amount of info. There are a couple articles describing how their graduation ceremony was almost cancelled one year because of "high jinks and rowdiness" ("Seniors have their fun; it costs them graduation fete". May 29, 1974, and "Holy Cross seniors will have their commencement excerises", May 30, 1974). Ron Santo set up a baseball school there ("In the wake of the news", May 21, 1966), and the Cubs actually held workouts there at one point ("Cubs continue workouts; Sox return to town", April 5, 1972). The clergy faculty made the news for being some of the first priests in their order to wear regular suits and ties, instead of standard priest garb; it was part of an "experiment in religious clothing" ("Clergy Kick Old Habit, Wear Black Suits, Ties", September 21, 1967). I haven't looked through everything yet, but I'm sure if we combed through the Tribune and other local papers, we could find a good deal of content. At least enough to rival the Quigley South article. Zagalejo^^^ 06:20, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
 * You are hard core. --- tqbf  07:00, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Point made. LonelyBeacon (talk) 19:06, 12 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletions.   --  Double Blue  (Talk) 02:51, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep - notability is not temporary and a look here shows plenty of good material that underpins notability and would allow expansion. TerriersFan (talk) 04:28, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I hate to say this, put many of the initial articles were obituaries of former students/staff. Among the rest were an article about noise abatement from O'Hare, a fundraiser, etc. The name may pop up a lot, but there just wasn't much actually about the school. LonelyBeacon (talk) 04:40, 12 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep Notable alumni, once notable, remains notable. DGG (talk) 07:45, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete: Notability isn't hereditary or easily transferred; the slight notability of these alumni/ae is unrelated to the school. CRGreathouse (t | c) 13:29, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep in addition to Alansohn's reasoning, there's a practical reason for the article: The alumni still exist. Noroton (talk) 21:58, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Nice one :-) TerriersFan (talk) 22:18, 12 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep&mdash;I never much cared for the argument that a school loses its notability after it ceases to exist. This seems sufficiently notable to retain.&mdash;RJH (talk) 23:08, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep Notability doesnt die. Schools close, people die, countries are merged - Victuallers (talk) 10:30, 14 December 2007 (UTC)


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