Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Holy Family Cathedral (St. John's)


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The result was redirect to Roman Catholic Diocese of Saint John's–Basseterre. czar 05:16, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Holy Family Cathedral (St. John's)

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Does not meet WP:NCHURCH. There is no significant coverage of this church in reliable sources. Rusf10 (talk) 15:15, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
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 * Keep. I find it very hard to believe that any cathedral of a major denomination is non-notable per WP:COMMONSENSE. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:07, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Well, believe it. Our guideline for this is WP:NCHURCH which states Individual religious organizations, (whether called congregations, synods, synagogues, temples, churches, etc.) must meet the notability guideline for organizations and companies or the general notability guideline or both. Churches are not granted auto-notability.--Rusf10 (talk) 17:45, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Actually, it's a building we're talking about here, not an organisation, so WP:ORG obviously does not apply. That's not the sort of "church" it's referring to (the relevant "church" for that paragraph would be the Roman Catholic Church, not the individual buildings owned by it!). Please try to avoid citing irrelevant guidelines. The relevant one here is actually WP:GEOFEAT. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:16, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Sure, you could try to claim notability under WP:GEOFEAT which says Buildings, including private residences and commercial developments, may be notable as a result of their historic, social, economic, or architectural importance, but they require significant in-depth coverage by reliable, third-party sources to establish notability. (emphasis mine). It doesn't meet that guideline either. We also don't have a guideline that gives auto-notability to all buildings owned by the Roman Catholic Church.--Rusf10 (talk) 14:48, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Now, nobody ever said that, did they. I said that it is common sense that cathedrals (that is, the chief church of a diocese and seat of its bishop) are clearly notable, not "all buildings owned by the Roman Catholic Church". -- Necrothesp (talk) 00:51, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep Diocesan seat of international diocese per WP:COMMONSENSE or merge to Roman Catholic Diocese of Saint John's–Basseterre.Djflem (talk) 04:37, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Still doesn't meet WP:NCHURCH with only one independent reliable secondary source.--Rusf10 (talk) 05:11, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Natg 19 (talk) 02:18, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete No need to merge: all the information is already repeated in Roman Catholic Diocese of Saint John's–Basseterre. LizardJr8 (talk) 15:34, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Roman Catholic Diocese of Saint John's–Basseterre in that case. Ingratis (talk) 00:23, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Redirect -- I might have argued to keep, but this is a modern Cathedral and quite possibly no larger than a parish church for all I know. Peterkingiron (talk) 18:05, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Well, that's very easily checked! -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:40, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Roman Catholic Diocese of Saint John's–Basseterre. Does not pass WP:GNG, the keep !votes are not based on policy.  Onel 5969  TT me 03:14, 28 May 2021 (UTC)


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