Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Holy Family Catholic Church (Williston, Florida)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete.  MBisanz  talk 02:55, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Holy Family Catholic Church (Williston, Florida)

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Contested prod. An article on a church created from primary sources. Nothing is given to indicate notability and nothing appears to be available. Nuttah (talk) 10:00, 30 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Merge basic information into Roman Catholic Diocese of St. Augustine . Too much non-notable trivial information to justify a separate article. Chris Neville-Smith (talk) 11:20, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Make that Williston, Florida, as suggested below. Chris Neville-Smith (talk) 00:15, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Redirect to the diocese Roman Catholic Diocese of St. Augustine with no merge needed. Most individual churches are non-notable, and this article has no independent sources. No merger is needed because the article about the diocese does not detail the individual parishes. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 16:50, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. There is no real claim to notability here, and churches and other religious congregations have not been considered inherently notable in deletion discussions during the time I have been participating at AFD. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 01:19, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep Article incorporates material from Catholic Encyclopedia and therefore meets the notability needs. Fg2 (talk) 11:29, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
 * What exactly is this reference? My understanding is that published material that references every single book/school/business/church in an area doesn't count as notability. If it's something more than a directory listing it might count, but I'd like to see what it is first. Chris Neville-Smith (talk) 17:55, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
 * There is no material this would include from the Catholic Encyclopedia - that was last updated in 1922, 46 years before this was founded. Maybe the editor means the New Catholic Encyclopedia, which is still under copyright (and not cited).  I can't see what in this article might be from the newer book however.  GRBerry 22:15, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
 * In fact, there are no reference works, old or new, cited in this article at all, just the church's own web site and the diocese's web site. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 02:27, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Florida-related deletion discussions.   -- • Gene93k (talk) 20:58, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions.   -- • Gene93k (talk) 20:59, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge to Williston, Florida. This is usually the best solution for churches of merely local significance.  This will make a start to a new section "churches", but the present article will need to be heavily pruned, omitting tragedies and the list of clergy.  Peterkingiron (talk) 00:02, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  MBisanz  talk 03:34, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Keep I think that established churches and schools warrant their own articles. See WP:IHN. 20 08 Ol ymp ian chitchat 08:12, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete How do you determined "established"? There's no proof of notability here, and while some churches (for example, those on the NRHP) are plainly notable, there's nothing remarkable about this one.  Nyttend (talk) 05:40, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Read WP:IHN. I don't have a problem with all churches of major denominations and all public schools having an article.-- 20 08 Ol ymp ian chitchat 08:26, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete No notability. Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 18:17, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. Fails WP:N, WP:ORG and WP:RS.  Also the I think argument is probably a new name for the WP:ILIKEIT logic. Vegaswikian (talk) 01:12, 10 December 2008 (UTC)


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